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re: Why do the Dems think Trump will be indicted for the classified docs found at Mar-a-Lago?
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:14 am to CelticDog
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:14 am to CelticDog
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liar. roe was settled law, until it wasn't
so you think the Supreme Court will overturn the law then retroactively prosecute trump! Because that’s what your “argument” would mean. Anytime you are faced with actual law, your predictions crumble. This is no different.
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Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:17 am to Dreamville
quote:Actually he can.
the identities of spies. there. thats one. President cant reveal their names. its above his pay grade. info about how to build a nuclear bomb or enrich nuclear material, thats another, he cant declassify that,
He cannot order someone else to disclose it, even to him. However if he has the information already he can.
There is quite literally no one above his pay grade. In 2009 if I remember correctly Obama specifically exempted the executive branch from any rules around declassification of documents.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:20 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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they think if they can jail Trump, then they can start jailing anyone that voted for him.
they can already arrest anyone if they violate the espionage act.
your post is amusing
propaganda.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:27 am to BBONDS25
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no one person can reclassify sci materials. you have been misinformed. not even a president.
Liar. You are 100 percent wrong in this. It is settled law.
except trump never did reclassify the sci materials.
lets look at that piece.
john Bolton says trump is a liar.
Bolton says trump never declassified sci stuff.
Bolton says there's not one piece of paper to support the trump propaganda.
it never happened.
this is not navy Clinton.
nice try though.
see you in court.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:28 am to Dreamville
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why he would take records that fall under the espionage act
I remember that being said about the records - then poof.
Wonder if the espionage act charge might pertain to all those who falsified statements in order to spy on Trump?
It's been said he had those papers, so maybe that's where the espionage claim fits in.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:44 am to CelticDog
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for a change engage the poster in a spirited consideration.
After 7 years of lies after lies of you leftists demoshits swearing you had Trump we are done with engaging stupid. I can only hope that posters like you are just trolling because I cannot accept that there are actually people that are so freaking stupid that they have lost the ability to make decisions based off of what they see and not act like a bunch of sheep by only believing what they are told.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 9:44 am to CelticDog
quote:Do you know what the process is for a President declassifying anything is?
Bolton says trump never declassified sci stuff.
It goes like this. President puts a load of documents in a box, doesn’t have to list what’s in the box.
“These documents are all declassified” says the President.
Everything in the box is now declassified. He certainly doesn’t have to ask Bolton’s permission or even tell him he did it.
No charge for the lesson.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:06 am to llfshoals
They cannot see or don’t want to see that there is nothing to arrest Trump for.
The only thing illegal was the raid itself.
The only thing illegal was the raid itself.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:31 am to EZE Tiger Fan
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start jailing anyone that voted for him
I can see them doing that. We're accessories to all the fake crimes they framed Trump with.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:37 am to Dreamville
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there is no question trump broke all three of these laws,
You purple haired freaks are fricked in the head.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:49 am to CelticDog
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the crux
he can consider them his until doomsday but they belong to the USA.
this will be decided in court.
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the decision to segregate personal materials from Presidential records is made by the President, during the President's term and in his sole discretion
Please break this down for me.
It really sounds like the law has already decided.
I mean that is pretty clear.
I mean this sounds like a disagreement on whether something is a personal or presidential record.
And it sounds like Trump decides.
Jesus, you used to post things that used to make me think. I am simply restating obviously known facts to anyone with a brain could have found out.
I understand why Biden, Garland, the doj, the fbi, and the msm all do it. Because they lack a functioning brain. They operate on what they think is right. However that is not the case.
Use your brain here. You can figure it out. I disagreed with things trump did and said. You can disagree with things this administration does.
What they did was wrong and Trump, if he can, should sue them into oblivion.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 10:58 am to CelticDog
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no one person can reclassify sci materials.
Oh good lord. No one but you are arguing this point.
But you. Because you are wrong.
quote:
Normally, presidents who want something declassified direct subordinates overseeing the department or agency with primary responsibility for the information to review the matter with an eye to making more of it public. But on rare occasions, presidents declassify something directly.
There you have it.
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no one person can reclassify sci materials.
you have been misinformed.
not even a president.
some 3 guy committee convenes. they look into the means the intelligence was derived. on and on.
weeks even months.
no one person can declassify sci materials.
some docs even require two levels of committees
Or the president can just say it isn't classified anymore.
Because...
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it is ultimately their constitutional authority.
God, I know you hate it when things like the constitution get in the way of you doing what you wanted to do.
It is really clear. the president can.
You are straight up and clear and day wrong.
Sorry, this again you are incorrect.
The question is will you be a good enough of a person to own up to the fact that you were incorrect.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 11:03 am to Dreamville
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I cant believe I even have to say this, but no, the President is not allowed to give our launch codes to our enemies.
Well, if was going to do so the government would likely say he was mentally incompetant and get him removed.
The statement was made for effect. Legally he could declassify the launch codes. He has the constitutional power to do so.
You do understand that the president can declassify whatever he wants, don't you?
I mean that is a thing.
But there are ways the government could go around this constituional power if other constitutional rules are broken. And the president would be breaking other constitutional rules.
Besides, as I was writing this the first time, is there such a thing as launch codes? I figured there would be heavily encrypted things that a single person couldn't possibly know. I would hope we have moved beyond simply a code to fire the missles.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 11:09 am to llfshoals
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Do you know what the process is for a President declassifying anything is?
It goes like this. President puts a load of documents in a box, doesn’t have to list what’s in the box.
“These documents are all declassified” says the President.
Everything in the box is now declassified. He certainly doesn’t have to ask Bolton’s permission or even tell him he did it.
No charge for the lesson.
I can't believe the twisting you guys go through to defend TFG. You actually have to identify the docs you declassify, you can't just have a mystery box.
Beyond that, even declassified, the documents don't belong to him. If th ey contain state defense information and the like taking them is a violation of the Espionage Act.
And believe it or not, your little scenario lands Trump in more hot water as it would indicate Trump knew he was concealing and stealing classified documents which contained NDI.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 11:28 am to mmcgrath
quote:Which part of
And believe it or not, your little scenario lands Trump in more hot water as it would indicate Trump knew he was concealing and stealing classified documents which contained NDI.
“If the President says they’re declassified they are” did you miss. Seems like….all of it.
Everyone but the executive branch has a process. The executive doesn’t. That seems really hard for you to wrap your head around.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 11:39 am to llfshoals
quote:And what part of the classification of a document not having anything to do with violating the Espionage Act did you miss? Knowing what are in the boxes only works against him.
Which part of
“If the President says they’re declassified they are” did you miss. Seems like….all of it.
Everyone but the executive branch has a process. The executive doesn’t. That seems really hard for you to wrap your head around.
Not to mention that you have nothing to back up the President's ability to secretly declassify documents without identifying them to anyone.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 12:03 pm to mmcgrath
quote:Executive order 13526. Explicitly exempts the executive concerning a declassification process for anything they deem fit.
Not to mention that you have nothing to back up the President's ability to secretly declassify documents without identifying them to anyone.
There’s nothing secret about it, it’s right out in the open.
There’s nothing in the espionage act which precludes him having possession of documents he legally can.
Know how they become legally able to be possessed by him?
He says “these are declassified” prior to Biden taking offfice
Posted on 8/28/22 at 12:14 pm to hikingfan
Wishful thinking from the insane leftists running the asylum.
Posted on 8/28/22 at 12:27 pm to Dreamville
You might be the dumbest frick on this board and that is saying something
Posted on 8/28/22 at 12:39 pm to llfshoals
quote:You still have to identify what documents are being declassified.
Executive order 13526. Explicitly exempts the executive concerning a declassification process for anything they deem fit.
quote:That second part is pretty important.
There’s nothing in the espionage act which precludes him having possession of documents he legally can.
quote:You are clearly confusing declassifying with legal ownership. 2 COMPLETELY DIFFERENT things.
Know how they become legally able to be possessed by him?
He says “these are declassified” prior to Biden taking offfice
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