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re: "Why Do People Persist in Believing Things That Just Aren't True?"
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:24 pm to Roger Klarvin
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It really is like trying to talk computer operating systems with a bank teller from the 1930s.
Condescend much?!
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Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:26 pm to ChineseBandit58
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How can you function as a petroleum engineer and think the earth was created only 6000 years ago.
I'd use some bullshite excuse that doesn't have to do with religion, but I'd for sure fire a petroleum engineer who believed this. It's like chef who doesn't believe in nutrition or calories.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:28 pm to Roger Klarvin
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What good did the "evolution" of religion (if we can call a less dogmatic stance evolution) do for the thousands burned at the stake by the catholic church? What good did it do all the "witches" Christians killed? What good did it do for the millions who have been killed in the name of Islam?
None and you'll never hear me defend any of this.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:28 pm to Revelator
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So the" candle in the dark" metaphor was a way of symbolizing that science takes blind stabs in the dark instead of exclaiming that it lights the path of knowledge?
I'm dumbing this down as much as I possibly can for you, so I'll now just calmly pat you on the head, give you a silver dollar, and tell you not to spend it in one place.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:30 pm to Revelator
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Yeah science surely is a candle in the dark. One day coffee is good for you, the next it's not. One day butter is bad for you, another it's not. One generation frontal lobotomies and giving kids heroin and cocaine is good, the next, not........ Got to love it!
The funny thing about this is that you probably whipped out a small device the size of a deck of cards that can call anywhere on the planet and has access to essentially the sum total of human learning to write that.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:30 pm to OMLandshark
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I'm dumbing this down as much as I possibly can for you, so I'll now just calmly pat you on the head, give you a silver dollar, and tell you not to spend it in one place.
You atheists are by far the most pompous asses of all categories of people and it isn't close.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 7:31 pm
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:34 pm to Tigerlaff
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The funny thing about this is that you probably whipped out a small device the size of a deck of cards that can call anywhere on the planet and has access to essentially the sum total of human learning to write that.
Maybe you should read the thread before posting? I never said science doesn't make contributions to life or isn't beneficial to Mankind in numerous ways. But I reject the notion that science is the know all end all of everything and that all of life's experiences can be measured and explained by it.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:36 pm to Revelator
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But I reject the notion that science is the know all end all of everything and that all of life's experiences can be measured and explained by it.
Why?
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:37 pm to Revelator
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You atheists are by far the most pompous asses of all categories of people and it isn't close.
I'm Episcopalian actually. I just despise simplistic thinking.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:40 pm to OMLandshark
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I'm Episcopalian actually. I just despise simplistic thinking.
Give it time, you can always convert.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:42 pm to Roger Klarvin
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Why?
Because many abstract things can't be measured by science and yet they exist.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:58 pm to Revelator
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Give it time, you can always convert.
This goes out to any poster, but if I ever become a Southern Baptist, believe the world is 6000 years old, and stop critically thinking in general, find me and kill me. You'll be doing me a favor.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 7:59 pm to Revelator
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Because many abstract things can't be measured by science and yet they exist.
Measured? Sure.
There is nothing we can say for sure that exists that we cannot document, though.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:22 pm to OMLandshark
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No, but why shouldn't I be proud of a five year study I headed, got it peer reviewed as fairly conclusive, and have had nothing to refute it?
Just fairly conclusive?
You should be very proud of it and the grant money that you used. But do you believe that whatever conclusions and your peers arrived at is the final word? That you are completely correct. Forever?
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What do you mean by "historical record"?
Oh good grief!!!
Do you know nothing of history? Has no "scientific fact" ever been disproved? And you are certain that no one, no place will ever disprove your little thing? You did something that makes you proud and a little arrogant maybe?
If you believe that science is an evolving medium, how can you have confidence in it? What will be tomorrow's new truth? If you sell your soul to science you do it with the certain knowledge that you will be wrong.
Comforting.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 8:37 pm to Gray Tiger
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Just fairly conclusive?
Yes. There is nothing beyond "fairly conclusive". There is nothing that is truly 100% correct. Gravity is merely a theory, and we have a much better idea on how evolution works than how gravity works. If gravity isn't proven completely, who am I to say that basically anything else isn't fairly conclusive?
And reading through the rest of your post, it's pretty clear that mine went over your head. Smart people realize that they really truly know nothing and continually test their thoughts and consult others who know better than them in order to get the best conclusion. Stupid people claim to have all the answers. They look at a single source, and anything that conflicts with it must be shunned. Anything that you don't know, you blame it on some supernatural entity, despite the fact that after a few years or decades of research, they discover that this likely isn't the cause.
I claim to know nothing but the most conclusive theory at the time, and even then it can be refuted. You claim to know everything, or claim that someone who you talk to daily does, and I thus see you as foolish.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:07 pm to OMLandshark
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Stupid people claim to have all the answers.
Indeed.
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They look at a single source, and anything that conflicts with it must be shunned.
Much like scientists who make fun of religion?
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Anything that you don't know, you blame it on some supernatural entity, despite the fact that after a few years or decades of research, they discover that this likely isn't the cause.
Likely? Nice CYA.
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You claim to know everything, or claim that someone who you talk to daily does, and I thus see you as foolish.
And you bristle at those who might see you as foolish? You can't prove believers wrong. You are relying on your own belief. The other side of the same coin. You choose to place your belief in science. They choose to place their belief in religion. How are you morally and/or intellectually superior to to them?
BTW I am assuming you are using the "you" as a generic term and not aimed at me specifically.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:14 pm to Gray Tiger
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Much like scientists who make fun of religion?
No, because they typically look at everything, and if it doesn't add up, they dismiss it.
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And you bristle at those who might see you as foolish? You can't prove believers wrong. You are relying on your own belief. The other side of the same coin. You choose to place your belief in science. They choose to place their belief in religion. How are you morally and/or intellectually superior to to them? BTW I am assuming you are using the "you" as a generic term and not aimed at me specifically.
And my post went over your head again. No I can't prove you wrong 100% conclusively, but I also can't conclusively prove that there's not a platypus hippo hybrid out there living in the swamps. Maybe it's just highly evasive, but I can say with 99.999999% certainty that there isn't one. Sure they may find it one day, and I'll be wrong, but it's highly unlikely from the information we have. I try to never answer in absolutes when science is concerned since I don't think there are true absolutes in science. They can be tested and possibly disproved. For all I know, Gravity truly is "divine pull" more than anything else. I don't truly know, but I can narrow down some things from what science tells us.
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:15 pm to I B Freeman
Did anyone read the magazine article mentioned in the OP??
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:21 pm to OMLandshark
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No, because they typically look at everything, and if it doesn't add up, they dismiss it.
Everything? Sort of god-like?
Scientists dismiss things they don't understand? If two theories seem to contradict which must be discarded? There is a designated orthodoxy?
Sounds downright religious to me.
And you would have me believe the religion of science is different from other religions?
Posted on 5/20/14 at 9:35 pm to Gray Tiger
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Scientists dismiss things they don't understand?
No they don't dismiss them. They just say they don't know. Smart people are not afraid to say they don't know, while it terrifies the hell out of stupid people. They don't go to the default answer as "God did it". That's your go to, and basically why I'm telling you that you and most other fundamentalists think they know everything. If I don't know now, then God certainly does, so the question is irrelevant. That is your mentality. You have the answer, in that there's no need to further seek it, since God knows it.
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And you would have me believe the religion of science is different from other religions?
Oh yeah, please do experiments on the Koran or the Book of Mormon and tell me what you come up with. I'll be waiting.
This post was edited on 5/20/14 at 9:37 pm
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