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Why didn’t we do the wall
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:27 pm
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:27 pm
When we had control of the house and the senate? I’m just a dumb kid. Someone please enlighten me.
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Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:28 pm to BigPerm30
People will tell you that you need 60 votes, but the truth is they never tried.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:29 pm to BigPerm30
Same thread premise down on the first page, Perm.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:29 pm to BigPerm30
For the same reason they couldn't do "repeal and replace".
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:30 pm to BigPerm30
They didn’t have control of the Senate. They didn’t have 60 votes. That doesn’t mean they couldn’t get anything done but it meant they had to compromise. Cocaine Mitch had more important things in his mind to use his political equity on. He kept telling Trump next time. That’s really it.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:30 pm to BigPerm30
Holy shite, need a sticky to keep this question from coming up a million damn times....Trump didn’t have the 60 votes in the senate to stop the filibuster.....
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:32 pm to BigPerm30
McConnell was not willing to change Senate rules for a budget bill & we never had 60 votes to break a filibuster to get it through the Senate
Mitch screwed up on this one
Mitch screwed up on this one
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:32 pm to dcbl
I get that they didn't have 60 votes but why wait until now to even try to negotiate?
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:33 pm to CamdenTiger
quote:
Trump didn’t have the 60 votes in the senate to stop the filibuster.....
Should have made them filibuster.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:35 pm to Green Chili Tiger
quote:I can't disagree with this
Should have made them filibuster.
Mitch deserves the most scorn here
I think it is also fair to say that enough Repubs didn't want to & Mitch essentially gave them cover
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:35 pm to Green Chili Tiger
Senate doesn’t like to bring things up if they don’t have the votes. Repubs are lazy as shite...
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:42 pm to dcbl
quote:
McConnell was not willing to change Senate rules for a budget bill & we never had 60 votes to break a filibuster to get it through the Senate
Mitch screwed up on this one
Debatable
When one considers that Republicans have only Twice in the last 100 years held both chambers of congress and the Presidency, it is not a risk they are willing to take. Opening it up so that Democrats can ram legislation through Congress unabated for decades with a simple majority vote is too scary to imagine.
The flip side of the coin is that are nation, at least as I've known it, is crumbling.
We are headed to a breakup.
This nation will breakup in to multiple countries within the next 40 years.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 7:47 pm to Loserman
quote:I agree, but I also do not harbor any illusion that this favor will be returned in today's toxic environment
Opening it up so that Democrats can ram legislation through Congress unabated for decades with a simple majority vote is too scary to imagine.
I have been wrong before & the Senate is where "cooler heads" are supposed to prevail
Dems went nuclear 1st on judicial appointments & Repubs returned the favor (admittedly, with higher stakes)
I will be shocked if the Dems sit on their hands and don't raise the stakes again if Repubs are holding up a bill they really want
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:16 pm to CamdenTiger
Ok. Thanks. You can delete this thread. Just curious.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:25 pm to BigPerm30
quote:
When we had control of the house and the senate? I’m just a dumb kid. Someone please enlighten me.
process rules
Needed 60 votes in senate.
There were a few republicans who do not vote in.lockstep with Donald. Two retired.
Still 2 left. Alaska and Maine. So 60 was not possible without horse trading.
Donald did not offer any sweeteners to buy the votes of democrats.
For example: there was no attempt to pass an infrastructure spending bill.
There was no offer of citizenship for daca people.
Never even a whisper of real plan to deal with millions here on expired visas.
This post was edited on 1/25/19 at 8:29 pm
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:29 pm to CelticDog
DACA in exchange for 25 billion in Wall funding was voted down by GOP. I believe it had 45 Democrats. When Wall funding was voted on as only item it recurved 39 Republicans votes.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:29 pm to BigPerm30
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This post was edited on 9/24/20 at 9:03 pm
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:30 pm to BigPerm30
Trump is the first to get stoned by his wall.
Posted on 1/25/19 at 8:33 pm to TOKEN
quote:
DACA in exchange for 25 billion in Wall funding was voted down by GOP. I
this is the crux of the matter.
Trump miscalculated
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