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re: Why did the soviet union collapse?

Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:07 am to
Posted by obdobd918
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:07 am to
All communist countries will collapse eventually
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
7989 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 6:49 am to
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Not enough resources


Wrong ......

Russia has the greatest concentration of raw material wealth in the world. The problem? No access and no infrastructure to access it .....The only free Russians ....live scattered through the country as far away from cities as they can possibly get. Almost like Canada ... The main concentration of the population is along the US border. After that ....not much.
Posted by wickowick
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 7:26 am to
They were only a superpower on paper, hell bananas were a luxury item and grocery stores didn’t exist
Posted by Stealth Matrix
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Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 8:20 am to
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Given what I see and hear now from Putin’s Russia, I wonder whether it was a real collapse or merely a Soviet costume change into Act 2/plan B scenario.

Been wondering this for several years now. Did the Cold War truly "end" or were we ultimately duped by Kabuki theater on a national scale?
Posted by Alltheway Tigers!
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 9:37 am to
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Socialism does not grow wealth.


Tell that to china


Hmmm, sure about that? Might be a good idea to see who exactly controls the wealth in China. Hint: It isn’t the people.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
23031 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 9:59 am to
China became more of a corporatist one party system after Mao died.
Posted by thermal9221
Youngsville
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:07 am to
Collective farming did them in.
Produced famine as they were trying to industrialize the country. Stalin started it and finally fell in the 80’s.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:22 am to
Modern Russia is very different
Posted by SantaFe
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:36 am to
Posted by bluedragon
Birmingham
Member since May 2020
7989 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 10:57 am to
China did not really explode until they assumed Hong Kong and the financial strength of the British System there. At that point ...Chinese working outside the slave labor trade ....taught the Chinese how to make money and expand an empire.
Posted by Auburn1968
NYC
Member since Mar 2019
23031 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 11:01 am to
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Modern Russia is very different




Posted by JawjaTigah
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Posted on 7/5/21 at 4:34 pm to
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the USSR was sponsoring revolutions all over the globe, and truly embraced Trotskys concept of a constant and permanent war.
Early on, this was true. In later years (more recent times), the Russian identity became more prevalent as the old revolutionary fervor waned. By the time of Gorbachev, the Soviets and Russia were mostly indistinguishable except that It became variations on a theme of party leadership personality cults driving things. Their own revolution successfully melded the assorted ethnicities into one Soviet Russian super State for a time. But then things sort of broke apart, as it appeared the old model had succumbed to Western might. I think they may simply have shifted over to Plan B. BTW notice the old Revolutionary fervor had been adopted by Maoist China, but that too has devolved into simply a Communistic totalitarian and nationalistic State, not particularly interested in anything of a Bolshevik flavor…because that could actually also threaten them.
This post was edited on 7/5/21 at 4:35 pm
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 7/5/21 at 5:57 pm to
I've written this before, but I really love Russian culture, and I love Moscow. If I could get a decent job there, I'd relocate for a few years.
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