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Posted on 6/25/21 at 3:43 pm to bdavids09
Reagan knew he could bankrupt them and he did. Proposed all sorts of new defense spending and they gave up.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 3:44 pm to bdavids09
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there collapse
Maybe they collapsed from illiteracy. Oh wait, that’s us.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 3:44 pm to jlovel7
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Their brand of communism comes on the back of Capitalism.
Fair counterpoint.
Although their government is about as far removed as an actual democracy as possible.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 3:46 pm to Zappas Stache
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Authoritarian Capitalist system.
Its a central planned economy with some capitalist elements.
Without reforms, China would have gone the way of the USS
You can call it whatever you want, its still a centrally planned economy that utilizes capitalism to built some wealth.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 3:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Americans suck at Economics.
+1
Posted on 6/25/21 at 3:50 pm to A Smoke Break
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Although their government is about as far removed as an actual democracy as possible.
Socialists pretend to be democratic, but you can only vote for one party.
Regardless of what you call it, their economy is centrally planned.
This is the step we are currently taking, more command economic steps because people are terrified to make decisions without government involvement.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 3:54 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Socialists pretend to be democratic, but you can only vote for one party.
They also let the people vote then toss them in the bin and say the totalitarian got 95% of the vote. Then set up the firing squads for people that voted for the wrong party.
The morons in this country that don't want to audit elections are enabling this bullshite in the US but they are too fricking stupid to realize.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 3:55 pm to A Smoke Break
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Fair counterpoint.
Although their government is about as far removed as an actual democracy as possible.
Yup. Their entire nation basically acts as a giant business and their product is the world's knick knacks. Good for them as a "nation" but terrible for the individual unless you're at the top of the pyramid. They're like any other brand of communism except they're less insular and as a whole produce goods for capitalist nations to purchase.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 3:58 pm to bdavids09
Loss of will
The Soviet Union was used to unrest. Even serious episodes, like the Hungarian uprising. But the Soviets would send in the tanks, and crush the uprisings.
By the late eighties, something had changed, there was a sense that it wasn’t worth it anymore.
The Russian SSR was a net exporter of wealth to the Republics. They subsidized the Republics. And ordinary people, and even government officials began to wonder, what is the point?
Why are we spending all of this money in, the Baltics, when the people hate us? And when ordinary citizens of the Russian SSR were so poor and so in need of help.
Why are we supporting and defending a system that does not help us?
Gorbachev reforms ultimately encouraged separatism too. Once upon a time, hardliners would have stepped in and stopped the separatists, but this time, the leadership under Gorbachev flinched.
The hardliners did eventually stage a coup, they understood that Gorbachev was (unintentionally) destroying the USSR, but the Russian nationalists, led by Yelstin, beat them back.
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We didn’t see the Soviet collapse coming. It was a surprise.
The Soviets had survived much worse, which is what made it so unexpected.
The Soviet Union was used to unrest. Even serious episodes, like the Hungarian uprising. But the Soviets would send in the tanks, and crush the uprisings.
By the late eighties, something had changed, there was a sense that it wasn’t worth it anymore.
The Russian SSR was a net exporter of wealth to the Republics. They subsidized the Republics. And ordinary people, and even government officials began to wonder, what is the point?
Why are we spending all of this money in, the Baltics, when the people hate us? And when ordinary citizens of the Russian SSR were so poor and so in need of help.
Why are we supporting and defending a system that does not help us?
Gorbachev reforms ultimately encouraged separatism too. Once upon a time, hardliners would have stepped in and stopped the separatists, but this time, the leadership under Gorbachev flinched.
The hardliners did eventually stage a coup, they understood that Gorbachev was (unintentionally) destroying the USSR, but the Russian nationalists, led by Yelstin, beat them back.
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We didn’t see the Soviet collapse coming. It was a surprise.
The Soviets had survived much worse, which is what made it so unexpected.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 3:58 pm to bdavids09
The USSR was only considered a superpower because of its military. The economy was a disaster because of the collectivization of agriculture and bureaucratic control.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 4:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Socialists pretend to be democratic, but you can only vote for one party.
Regardless of what you call it, their economy is centrally planned.
This... I am not sure how I would characterize their economy. I would probably attempt to describe it as some form of "hybrid" .. but not really capitalism... kinda like a cloned monkey with some human dna in it...
Posted on 6/25/21 at 4:22 pm to bdavids09
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Why did the soviet union collapse?
For the same reason we're going to have an economic collapse if we keep inflating the economy with monopoly money to fund stupid things.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 4:23 pm to A Smoke Break
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Tell that to china
Do you think that the Chinese are wealthy? Per capita? How about you tell that to the Chinese slave laborers
Posted on 6/25/21 at 4:36 pm to efrad
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China hasn't collapsed because they're a authoritarian communist regime that uses its cheap labor for international capitalism. This spreads enough resources around to keep the country and its people placated while the regime pockets unimaginable wealth. And the magic is it erodes the working class societies of its enemies, while the elites of those societies let it happen because they get enriched too.
Replace cheap labor with welfare and it’s just like The United States government!
Posted on 6/25/21 at 4:39 pm to klrstix
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This... I am not sure how I would characterize their economy. I would probably attempt to describe it as some form of "hybrid" .. but not really capitalism... kinda like a cloned monkey with some human dna in it...
It's a product of corrupt, crony-capitalism, communism, and authoritarian rule.
This post was edited on 6/25/21 at 4:50 pm
Posted on 6/25/21 at 4:44 pm to bdavids09
Cold war arms race...foreign forays proping up regimes which actually caused this..before massive oil reserves were discovered..went broke.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 4:48 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Loss of will
The Soviet Union was used to unrest. Even serious episodes, like the Hungarian uprising. But the Soviets would send in the tanks, and crush the uprisings.
Exactly. States are stable because they either have a strong authoritarian rule, or they have healthy democratic systems that allow for peaceful regime change. The states in the middle become the most unstable, and Russia hit that point with "glasnost", they were unfortunately not able to reach a healthy democratic system and authoritarian rule took over.
If and when China tries to open up to democracy, I don't think it is going to be peaceful.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 4:49 pm to bdavids09
quote:Communism.
Why did the soviet union collapse?
Translation: Under Totalitarian rule, reports of success and happiness DO NOT EQUATE TO actual success and happiness.
Posted on 6/25/21 at 4:53 pm to bdavids09
Reagan out-spent the USSR in the arms race.
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