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re: Why can every other first world country have healthcare for all?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:48 pm to SiloamHog
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:48 pm to SiloamHog
You are free to move. Or free to change employment. Or free to change insurance.
If you have a "right" to healthcare, another citizen is now compelled to care for you/your wife.
Slavery is wrong.
If you have a "right" to healthcare, another citizen is now compelled to care for you/your wife.
Slavery is wrong.
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Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:49 pm to BoarEd
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I'm sorry, but this is fricking nonsense. I've already paid for my care...for life...and I paid for it with my life in service to this nation.
It's not about "give me" anything. What you're saying is fricking insulting.
You are right, this is the definition of an "earned privilege"
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:49 pm to SiloamHog
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Anecdotal, my wife is a type 1 diabetic. If I lose my job, she dies. No joke, her once a day injection plus her vial in case her level goes high is $450 a month without insurance. We pay $150 for it.
Oh no! You have to pay $150 a month! l'horreur!
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:49 pm to SiloamHog
quote:You don't seem to have a lot of faith in your friends, family, and community do you?
If I lose my job, she dies.
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It's free or less than $10 everywhere else in the first world.
no, it isn't. You are confusing COST and PRICE. Just because it only costs YOU 10 dollars doesn't mean its COST is ten dollars.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:49 pm to SiloamHog
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No joke, her once a day injection plus her vial in case her level goes high is $450 a month without insurance.
Talk to your doctor about Sanofi's program where you can get their basal insulin (lantus) and rapid acting (admelog) up to 10 vials per month for $100
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We pay $150 for it.
See above. You could be paying less.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:50 pm to SiloamHog
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Anecdotal, my wife is a type 1 diabetic. If I lose my job, she dies. No joke, her once a day injection plus her vial in case her level goes high is $450 a month without insurance. We pay $150 for it. It's free or less than $10 everywhere else in the first world.
And that life saving treatment exists because there is still a market that makes it financially viable to spend the $1B it costs to research, develop, and bring that treatment to market.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:52 pm to BoarEd
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It's not about "give me" anything. What you're saying is fricking insulting.
What's insulting is you expecting someone with good employer provided healthcare to pay for someone else.
frick that !
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:52 pm to BoarEd
Also, your words are what I was referring to: there is a difference between an enumerated natural right and a privilege (in this case an earned privilege).
Our citizens need to learn this lesson, even if it is hard.
Our citizens need to learn this lesson, even if it is hard.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:53 pm to WorkinDawg
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And that life saving treatment exists because there is still a market that makes it financially viable to spend the $1B it costs to research, develop, and bring that treatment to market.
Better yet, that market allows for the innovative companies to nearly give their shite away when people struggle to pay for it, as above.
$100/m for as much insulin as basically anyone needs for less than the average cable bill ( $107, by the way)
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:53 pm to Hopeful Doc
Doesn't walmart offer an insulin for like 20 bucks?
my brother is diabetic and he always brings this up when i talk to him about insulin costs. He says there are affordable options out there if you know where to look. He agrees some insulin is shamefully high priced, but he also says it isn't quite as big an issue as many people think.
idk if he is right or not.
my brother is diabetic and he always brings this up when i talk to him about insulin costs. He says there are affordable options out there if you know where to look. He agrees some insulin is shamefully high priced, but he also says it isn't quite as big an issue as many people think.
idk if he is right or not.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 11:54 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:53 pm to 93and99
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What's insulting is you expecting someone with good employer provided healthcare to pay for someone else.
That's actually not what I'm saying at all and I've been careful to make that clear.
As I've said numerous times now, any sort of healthcare for all system simply isn't tenable with our current structure of Government.
I would like to see something better but that is flat out impossible as things stand today.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:54 pm to SiloamHog
quote:Wow! You have to pay $150/month to save your wife's life? Damn... That's expensive.
If I lose my job, she dies. No joke, her once a day injection plus her vial in case her level goes high is $450 a month without insurance. We pay $150 for it. It's free or less than $10 everywhere else in the first world.
Cheapskate.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:54 pm to Apollyon
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tangential
Im not gonna lie, I thought that word meant something about my junk until googled it.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:54 pm to 93and99
He has not the enumerated right to healthcare.
He has the earned privilege of funded care provision.
He needs to know why the difference is important, please do not insult him.
He has the earned privilege of funded care provision.
He needs to know why the difference is important, please do not insult him.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:55 pm to BoarEd
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We need better medical technology.
While I agree, and especially in getting away from China, America has been at the forefront of more medical breakthroughs than any country in the modern world.
One example. How many remember how much Lasik surgery use to cost for just one eye?
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Laser eye surgery has the highest patient satisfaction ratings of any surgery, it has been performed more than 3 million times in the past decade, it is new, it is high-tech, it has gotten better over time and… laser eye surgery has fallen in price. In 1998 the average price of laser eye surgery was about $2200 per eye. Today the average price is $1350, that’s a decline of 38 percent in nominal terms and slightly more than that after taking into account inflation.
Why the price decline in this market and not others? Could it have something to do with the fact that laser eye surgery is not covered by insurance, not covered by Medicaid or Medicare, and not heavily regulated? Laser eye surgery is one of the few health procedures sold in a free market with price advertising, competition and consumer-driven purchases. I’m seeing things more clearly already.
How about that? The Free market proved yet again it is superior to a government-run program because it encourages competition.
This post was edited on 2/19/20 at 11:55 pm
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:55 pm to beerJeep
Or we can be like every other civilized nation on the planet and take care of our sick and injured at a tax rate that is the same as what you already pay for insurance to see the same doctors.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:56 pm to HailHailtoMichigan!
quote:Yet, oddly trusts the government...
You don't seem to have a lot of faith in your friends, family, and community do you?
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:57 pm to memphisplaya
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The Free market proved yet again
And it always will until the day comes when we are no longer treating ailments and instead we begin to cure ailments.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:58 pm to SiloamHog
quote:If you abolish all copays and deductibles, I can assure you the majority of Americans would end up paying MORE in taxes than they currently pay in HC costs.
Or we can be like every other civilized nation on the planet and take care of our sick and injured at a tax rate that is the same as what you already pay for insurance to see the same doctors.
Posted on 2/19/20 at 11:58 pm to BoarEd
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As I've said numerous times now, any sort of healthcare for all system simply isn't tenable with our current structure of Government.
I agree with you. I work within it.
I will not insult you.
I sincerely thank you for your service to me and to our nation.
But, you do not have a Constitutional or Natural human right to enforced provision of your healthcare from another citizen. This is a fact.
You have this privilege. I agree with our society funding this privilege. I actually advocate for massive overhaul of the VA system (different thread).
This post was edited on 2/20/20 at 12:00 am
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