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re: Why Are Democrats So Anti-American?
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:39 pm to Draconian Sanctions
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:39 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Don’t you think Corporate Welfare is a big problem in this country?
Never said that. I’m not a fan of corporate welfare on the federal level outside of some rare circumstances
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Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:40 pm to Antonio Moss
So, I'd like to speak generally regarding constitutional interpretation.
I think a lot of people completely overlook a pretty important fact re: our constitution.
Namely, that our founders largely had to be drug kicking and screaming to it.
We seem to forget at a great many if not most of the people involved in this nation who wanted the Articles of Confederation were then the ones who also gave us the constitution.
So, when wondering what kind of view one should take of the various provisions in our constitution, I think it's useful to remember that their bias was to a VERY WEAK central government.
AND that about the best you can say about their view changing on this is that they realized that they went TOO FAR in that direction with the Articles.
They didn't just go from us being under the Articles to suddenly being a bunch of rabid centralized control people. To think otherwise is just honestly, at complete odds with reality.
I think a lot of people completely overlook a pretty important fact re: our constitution.
Namely, that our founders largely had to be drug kicking and screaming to it.
We seem to forget at a great many if not most of the people involved in this nation who wanted the Articles of Confederation were then the ones who also gave us the constitution.
So, when wondering what kind of view one should take of the various provisions in our constitution, I think it's useful to remember that their bias was to a VERY WEAK central government.
AND that about the best you can say about their view changing on this is that they realized that they went TOO FAR in that direction with the Articles.
They didn't just go from us being under the Articles to suddenly being a bunch of rabid centralized control people. To think otherwise is just honestly, at complete odds with reality.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:42 pm to Antonio Moss
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Never said that. I’m not a fan of corporate welfare on the federal level outside of some rare circumstances
I know and I think most on here would agree.
The problem I have is that conservatives don’t talk about this stuff very often, but when we talk about providing health care to our citizens all the sudden it’s a constitutional crisis. There’s no consistency and it leads some to believe, and I’m not saying this is true I’m just saying this is the perception, that conservatives don’t really care all that much about their constitutional principles they just hate poor people.
If constitutional conservatives fought Archer Daniels with the same ferocity they fight “entitlements” then that would be a different discussion.
This post was edited on 7/12/19 at 12:43 pm
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:42 pm to Antonio Moss
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Never said that. I’m not a fan of corporate welfare on the federal level outside of some rare circumstances
Alas, corporate welfare is a completely predictable and logical outcropping of a large central government.
The stunner would have been if it didn't happen
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:44 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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The problem I have is that conservatives don’t talk about this stuff very often, but when we talk about providing health care to our citizens it’s a constitutional crisis.
I can't speak for anyone else but my reasons on this or similar issues are simple.
While corporate welfare, or excessive war or many other things are fricking annoying, they are also temporary in nature. No, I don't mean temporary like, "certain to stop". I mean, as in, they aren't DESIGNED to be permanent.
Meanwhile, SS, Medicare, National Health Care etc etc are literally things that become organic to the government.
WW2 was expensive as frick. But it ENDED!
SS didn't.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:46 pm to xiv
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point: Democrats are anti-American counterpoint: They aren’t. Amazing how triggered so many people got over such a vanilla counterpoint. Yikes.
Speaking of lack of substance in an argument
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:47 pm to ShortyRob
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While corporate welfare, or excessive war or many other things are fricking annoying, they are also temporary in nature. No, I don't mean temporary like, "certain to stop". I mean, as in, they aren't DESIGNED to be permanent.
And that’s fine I guess. But IMO constitutional conservatives would gain a lot of credibility if they put that to the side and fought corporate welfare with the same intensity. If for no other reason than to eliminate the perception that you’re only against federal redistribution of wealth when it’s top down but you’re a okay with bottom up redistribution.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:47 pm to ShortyRob
quote:By any rational measure... the magnitude of expense for SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and other transfer payment programs is FAR, FAR, FAR higher than "corporate welfare".
While corporate welfare, or excessive war or many other things are fricking annoying, they are also temporary in nature. No, I don't mean temporary like, "certain to stop". I mean, as in, they aren't DESIGNED to be permanent.
Meanwhile, SS, Medicare, National Health Care etc etc are literally things that become organic to the government.
DS is trying to draw a false equivalence here. Nothing new.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:48 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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just hate poor people.
Um, what? Do you have a basis for that or is it just your opinion?
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:48 pm to DemonKA3268
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On here, they are worthless. Nothing is getting solved by anyone one here. That too is a fact.
another worthless one
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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providing health care to our citizens all the sudden it’s a constitutional crisis.
Boy what a completely ridiculous statement. You know damn good and well it's not about "providing healthcare to our citizens". This statement Sims up why you're a fraud. Not to mention your leaders want it free to non citizens.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:49 pm to Taxing Authority
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DS is trying to draw a false equivalence here. Nothing new.
Plenty of threads on here decrying the cell phone program.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:49 pm to Draconian Sanctions
So you think the Tigerdroppings is a good proxy for conservatives throughout the country?
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:49 pm to gthog61
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another worthless one
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:49 pm to Taxing Authority
quote:Exactly.
By any rational measure... the magnitude of expense for SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and other transfer payment programs is FAR, FAR, FAR higher than "corporate welfare".
quote:Well yes. DS's approach is basically the same in every thread too. The whole, "I'm just trying to nail down the framework" red herring is his.
DS is trying to draw a false equivalence here. Nothing new.
But, it does beat the "nuh uh"...........no really......"nuh uh"........"melt"........"nuh uh" approach.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:50 pm to DemonKA3268
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Do you have a basis for that or is it just your opinion?
I literally said it wasn’t my opinion but a perception of others
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
quote:This is just stupid
they just hate poor people.
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:51 pm to ShortyRob
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Well yes. DS's approach is basically the same in every thread too. The whole, "I'm just trying to nail down the framework" red herring is his.
So, to clarify, you’re only concerned with federal wealth redistribution when it crosses a certain dollar threshold?
This post was edited on 7/12/19 at 12:52 pm
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:52 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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I literally said it wasn’t my opinion but a perception of others
perception based off of an internet board?
Interesting, again
Posted on 7/12/19 at 12:52 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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So, to clarify, you’re only concerned with federal wealth redistribution when it crosses a certain dollar threshold?
No.
And I'm not gonna play the whole "You as Cathy Newman" thing, so I'm not even going to dignify that silly assertion.
Care to rephrase?
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