re: Who is Vindman and what did he do?

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Are you required to confront your major, rather than consulting the JAG officer?

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Who does the Major and I both work for?

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I am asking a serious question, and it is unfortunate that you lack the maturity to treat it as such.

So you seem to be suggesting that the captain should bypass the major and go to the colonel with his concerns. But that itself seems to be a violation of the chain of command, by leapfrogging the major.

You also seem to imply that it would be somehow improper for the captain to consult with the unit’s JAG officer in order to get some guidance as to how the captain should proceed with his concerns.

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You also seem to imply that it would be somehow improper for the captain to consult with the unit’s JAG officer in order to get some guidance as to how the captain should proceed with his concerns.

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If he is a Captain that doesn't know then he should de discharged for idiocy in the face of stupidity.

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Bingo.
"Major Aggiedouche I feel confident that you order is a direct violation of the UCMJ and as such it is an illegal order I cannot follow". Now when Major Douche disagrees it is at that point you say well Major Douche at this time I feel I need to advise you I am following my chain of command and requesting a meeting with Col SuperStar.

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Oh, I completely get what’s going on here.

This is stuff that E-1s (some with barely a HS education) get once it’s taught to them.

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You can bring up hypotheticals until this reaches 20 pages, but it's not going to change the assessment of what Vindman did by people who understand the military.

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And I have read op-ed material from people with military experience who assert that the issue is much more ambiguous than it is being presented here.

I did not have the opportunity to ask questions of those persons. I have that opportunity here.

The simple fact is that I do not have much respect for the intelligence of several posters on this thread. I do not doubt that they were able to follow orders at some point in their lives, but I doubt that they could analyze their way out od a wet paper bag. As such, I tend to doubt that this issue is nearly as clear-cut as they assert. I do think that Centinel is brighter than some of the others, so I have focused my questions upon him.

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The simple fact is that I do not have much respect for the intelligence of several posters on this thread. I do not doubt that they were able to follow orders at some point in their lives, but I doubt that they could analyze their way out od a wet paper bag. As such, I tend to doubt that this issue is nearly as clear-cut as they assert. I do think that Centinel is brighter than some of the others, so I have focused my questions upon him.

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I love the smarmy attitude, considering you have no military experience to draw from, outstanding!

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The simple fact is that I do not have much respect for the intelligence of several posters on this thread.

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Yeah, well, that’s back at you in spades, buddy.

You may have the law memorized, but I seriously doubt you’re much of a lawyer. Not quick enough on your feet.

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And I have read op-ed material from people with military experience who assert that the issue is much more ambiguous than it is being presented here.

I did not have the opportunity to ask questions of those persons. I have that opportunity here.

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I'm sure you could email them, but if you read their op-ed then you should already know their reasoning.

And you already know the reasoning of the people here. You've asked, and your question was answered several times. But you don't like the answers so you think if you can keep asking in a different way you'll get one you like. I doubt it, but feel free to try.

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Is the ability to provide this sort of guidance not one reason for the very existence of a JAG officer?

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If the supervisor wants to consult with the JAG officer on the validity of the order, then that’s on him.

As a subordinate, it’s not your place to go outside the chain of command and take it to the JAG yourself. Capiche?

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That is how it works. That is NOT “leapfrogging” the Major. It’s taking it up the chain of command to appeal his decision.

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He doesn't understand the difference between skipping a step in the chain of command and going outside the chain of command.

This was foreign policy, and that's set by the Commander in Chief. This little shite didn't like it so he tried to subvert it. Everything else is superfluous.

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Sure. But he never bothered letting his boss know. And seeing as how he's a LTC, he damn sure knows he should have. No phone call, no email, nothing. Just straight to the lawyer.

Basic Trainees are taught these basic rules when then attend BCT. I expect more from a career officer.

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There’s also the IG if you feel the chain of command has failed to properly resolve your issue.

But that is an absolute last resort.