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re: Who argued Trump didn't have plenary powers to declassify?
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:37 am to AggieHank86
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:37 am to AggieHank86
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Trump did not follow this procedure as to any of the documents found in the Mar-a-Lago cache.
The declassification memorandum has been posted here several times. Did you miss it?
https://trumpwhitehouse.archives.gov/presidential-actions/memorandum-declassification-certain-materials-related-fbis-crossfire-hurricane-investigation/
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:41 am to UncleFestersLegs
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Hillary had thousands of classified emails on a private server
Worse yet, her homebrew server had been hacked by Chinese intelligence to the point that they co-owned it.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:46 am to Auburn1968
quote:No, I did not "miss it." I very specifically cited it as an exemplar that Trump DID know how to properly document a decision to declassify ... when he wanted to do so.
Trump did not follow this procedure as to any of the documents found in the Mar-a-Lago cache.quote:
The declassification memorandum has been posted here several times. Did you miss it?
I have not seen any indication that the Crossfire Hurricane "binder" was among the documents found in the cache at Mar-a-Lago. If you have evidence to the contrary, I would be interested to see it.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 11:50 am to AggieHank86
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Trump DID know how to properly document a decision to declassify ... when he wanted to do so.
Is "properly" a binding legal term in this instance?
Did he actually violate the Law in a provable manner or are you just butt-hurt as usual with all things concerning Trump?
I mean, if he DID clearly violate the Law in the manner you Never-Trumpers rabidly assert and there IS some controlling legal authority that can put him away then why is he still free to torture you poor souls?
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:05 pm to CelticDog
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no i dont. you said that.
Nooooo. You actually said it. Read your own post. Slowly if you need to.
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if shes got an agenda that makes it more likely she does her best to get trump.
Let me guess…. You went through history class wondering how on earth the German people allowed the NAZI party to come to power…. Then you come here saying it doesn’t matter if a prosecutor is corrupt or has an agenda… you want the end result.
It was people like you. You. That allowed it to happen. Swallow the propaganda and cheer the brown shirts. How snappy is your salute?
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:12 pm to CleverUserName
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It was people like you. You. That allowed it to happen. Swallow the propaganda and cheer the brown shirts. How snappy is your salute?
You might as well be talking to a dog about the mechanics of a laser pointer.
He's all for the Gestapo if they are on his side.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:12 pm to oogabooga68
Bingo. He followed some procedure. The purpose of that procedure and it's applicability under all circumstances is, let's say, unknown. Is it statutorily required? Doesn't seem to be the case, does it? It's certainly not spelled out in any interpretation I've seen of The President's Article II Powers.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 12:13 pm
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:17 pm to jawnybnsc
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The purpose of that procedure and it's applicability under all circumstances is, let's say, unknown.
Exactly.
And someone who is supposedly well versed in Law knows this.
Doesn't stop Trumps critics from making an intentionally dishonest statement however.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:19 pm to dgnx6
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Literally everything you hate Trump for, Biden is guilty of.
Another of your asinine, airheaded posts.
Trump ignored a grand jury subpoena for documents for six months and when he was about to be found in contempt he said that he had declassified the documents with his mind.
Only someone with the mental capacity of a 5 year old or a Stage 5 Trumpaholic would believe that horseshite.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:22 pm to Vacherie Saint
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and you don’t care if a crime was committed
i know trump committed a crime.
of election interference . i heard his tape.
focus on the issue, not on hallucinating about posters so you feel righteous.
soon we hear from the AG.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:37 pm to oogabooga68
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very specifically cited it as an exemplar that Trump DID know how to properly document a decision to declassify ... when he wanted to do so.
oogabooga68,
theres no evidence of declassification of those materials in mal.
aggiehank is correct.
if there was any we would get Trump team waving printouts how this one and this one and this one...
aint one. aint 30.
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:39 pm to texridder
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he said that he had declassified the documents with his mind.
Again… according to the DC courts on a ruling on Bill Clinton and his sock drawer tapes…is absolutely fine to do.
Now what were you saying about 5 year olds believing?
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:44 pm to CelticDog
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theres no evidence of declassification of those materials in mal
Then only evidence he needs is "because I said so", period, end of story.
Keep grasping, Shroom-head....
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:45 pm to CelticDog
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theres no evidence of declassification of those materials in mal.
Again…. And again…. And again…. And again..
Judge Amy Berman Jackson said in a DC court that there was no provision to seize the records in the Presidential Records Act. Furthermore..
The DC courts made a ruling that sweeping declarations, including that a "president's discretion on what are personal vs. official records is far-reaching and solely his, as is his ability to declassify or destroy records at will.
The judges own words are..”Since the President is completely entrusted with the management and even the disposal of Presidential records during his time in office, it would be difficult for this Court to conclude that Congress intended that he would have less authority to do what he pleases with what he considers to be his personal records," she wrote.
By the way… this judge was promoted by Obama.
Now.. you can stop with all that new programmed response. It’s invalid.
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 12:51 pm
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:45 pm to texridder
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Trump ignored a grand jury subpoena for documents for six months
He learned this tactic from Obama...and Hillary...etc...etc...etc...etc.....

Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:48 pm to texridder
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he said that he had declassified the documents with his mind.
Yep.
One of the perks of being the most badass Presidents in modern History, cuck.....
Posted on 1/12/23 at 12:57 pm to CleverUserName
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you can stop with all that new programmed response.
Actually he can't.
His slavemasters sent he and Texridder and the usual RINO/Libertarian NeverTrump sheep an email ordering to ramp up the spin machines.....they will all get an extra $5 added to their checks this month....
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:14 pm to jawnybnsc
You are correct in observing that no constitutional provision or statute specifically sets forth exactly what procedure a president must follow to declassify information.
The purpose of a memorandum of declassification (e.g. 19-January) is not to meet some formalized requirement, but rather to provide documentation to establish at a later time that the document was in fact declassified … and when. It is generated in large part to prevent later claims that an assertion of “declassification“ is a recent fabrication
It works both ways. Imagine some administration employee charged three years later with some sort of crime related to the disclosure of a “classified” document. The employee asserts that his president declassified the document by chanting “I hereby declassify thee“ and handed the document to the employee. Now, the president is claiming that he did not do that. Had there been a memorandum, that employee would now be protected.
Did trump magically declassified these documents before leaving the White House? Did he wave his dick over the documents and chant some incantation? We just don’t know. That is the point.
In other words, the purpose of a memo is to prevent exactly the controversy that we are facing now regarding the documents which were found in the cache at Mar-a-Lago. As a result, the question of whether these documents can be said to have been declassified really comes down to… Do you believe Donald Trump?
Whether Trump or Biden, my default setting is to DISbelieve politicians because they lie for a living
The purpose of a memorandum of declassification (e.g. 19-January) is not to meet some formalized requirement, but rather to provide documentation to establish at a later time that the document was in fact declassified … and when. It is generated in large part to prevent later claims that an assertion of “declassification“ is a recent fabrication
It works both ways. Imagine some administration employee charged three years later with some sort of crime related to the disclosure of a “classified” document. The employee asserts that his president declassified the document by chanting “I hereby declassify thee“ and handed the document to the employee. Now, the president is claiming that he did not do that. Had there been a memorandum, that employee would now be protected.
Did trump magically declassified these documents before leaving the White House? Did he wave his dick over the documents and chant some incantation? We just don’t know. That is the point.
In other words, the purpose of a memo is to prevent exactly the controversy that we are facing now regarding the documents which were found in the cache at Mar-a-Lago. As a result, the question of whether these documents can be said to have been declassified really comes down to… Do you believe Donald Trump?
Whether Trump or Biden, my default setting is to DISbelieve politicians because they lie for a living
This post was edited on 1/12/23 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:15 pm to AggieHank86
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In other words, the purpise is to prevent exactly the controversy that we are facing now
Hahahaaa...... "purpise"?
Posted on 1/12/23 at 1:19 pm to AggieHank86
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In other words, the purpise is to prevent exactly the controversy that we are facing now regarding the documents which were found in the cache at Mar-a-Lago.
The "controversy" only exists in the feeble minds of Never Trumpers.
Trump DID NOT BREAK ANY LAW, period, there IS not controversy.
The Docs were declassed the SECOND Trump deemed them so.
Neither you nor Congress or any of the millions of unhinged NeverTrumpers are owed any further explanation.
This is all very, very weak attempts at "muh both sides" and if you had any shame, you would stop now.
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