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re: White House preparing for major narrative shift: sudden deaths = Long COVID, not the vaxx.

Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:42 am to
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170316 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:42 am to
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To break the growing narrative the link between sudden deaths and the covid-19 vaccine

You mean the narrative that was made up out of thin air by a bunch of imbeciles?
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What is interesting is that there is no denial that there is an increase in "sudden deaths".

What's also interesting is that studies showed increased mortality after COVID infection long before you and your ilk started parroting this absurd vaccine "narrative"
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:44 am to
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You mean the narrative that was made up out of thin air by a bunch of imbeciles?


Um.....really?
Posted by L1C4
The Ville
Member since Aug 2017
16094 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:45 am to
I know of several people that had long covid and haven't been vaxed.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62453 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:47 am to
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In a similar way to how you can get injuries in MVA’s even though seat belts work.
Nope. I didn't take the polio vaccine to get a little less polio.

Your only available analogy would be that somehow seatbelts would keep you from getting into a wreck. They clearly do not do that.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170316 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:49 am to
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Um.....really?

Yes the causality was made up out of thin air with no data to support it
Posted by bamadontcare
Member since Jun 2013
3501 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:49 am to
The leftists on this board started parroting this last week.

The talking points went out last week.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:49 am to
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You mean the narrative that was made up out of thin air by a bunch of imbeciles?


Call it whatever you would like but the narrative is in the public ethos. I linked the Rasmussen poll earlier to demonstrate that fact in addition to all the anecdotal evidence we see everyday including here on TD (even Larry is doing it on the tigerdropping.com main page). Politicians pay attention to polls. It drives their decisions.

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What's also interesting is that studies showed increased mortality after COVID infection long before you and your ilk started parroting this absurd vaccine "narrative"


Summarize these studies, post them and destroy the narrative.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170316 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:50 am to
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People can't stop talking about sudden deaths, but I'v yet to see any data that shows it's only the vax suffering this fate

That's because that data doesn't exist

But it doesn't stop people from declaring it to be gospel
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
138911 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 10:50 am to
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The leftists on this board started parroting this last week.

The talking points went out last week.


I did not notice. You are ahead of me.
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11382 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:37 am to
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That's why it's important for institutions that have credibility not to flush it down the toilet. It's a tough thing to regain once lost. Once trusted institutions now rate slightly above used car salesmen, and that probably won't change in my lifetime. The FBI is political and everybody knows it, the media is political and everybody knows it, the AMA is political and everybody knows it. You can cluck your tongue at the serfs for trying to interpret information themselves, but the "experts" left them little choice.


Sure. Decreasing your credence in testimony from people who have earned less trust is prudent and you do wrong to over-trust in that circumstance.

When you're excessively distrustful, though, you actually become quite gullible and tend to believe, arrogantly in the sense that you're (1)overconfident and (2)poorly justified. And a lot of the reasons for distrust are acquired through a tribal epistemology - people aren't generally "doing research" when they come by new information - they're feeding rationalizations at their priors.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170316 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:39 am to
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Summarize these studies, post them and destroy the narrative.


I posted one study already

And something that is made up out of thin air with no real world data to back it doesn't need to be "destroyed" so much as it needs to be ridiculed.
Posted by oogabooga68
Member since Nov 2018
27194 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:40 am to
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people aren't generally "doing research" when they come by new information - they're feeding rationalizations at their priors.



In 2023, the same can be said about every so called "expert" in any given field.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62453 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:43 am to
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When you're excessively distrustful, though, you actually become quite gullible and tend to believe, arrogantly in the sense that you're (1)overconfident and (2)poorly justified. And a lot of the reasons for distrust are acquired through a tribal epistemology - people aren't generally "doing research" when they come by new information - they're feeding rationalizations at their priors.
Thats an amazing rationalization for blindly trusting “experts”.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62453 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:47 am to
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In 2023, the same can be said about every so called "expert" in any given field.
Media “research” is basically the same googling as anyone else can do. Somehow when media or “experts” on TV does it it’s “better”.

the idea that media and “experts” do t come with their own bias and “rationalizations” is a silly belief. If someone didn’t learn that form the pandemic response (“two weeks!”) they are willingly ignorant.
Posted by General_Sherman
Member since Oct 2022
257 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:48 am to
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Thats an amazing rationalization for blindly trusting “experts”.


Blindly trusting social media videos and anecdotal evidence is much better
Posted by TigerDoc
Texas
Member since Apr 2004
11382 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:48 am to
Not blindly - there are actually better ways and worse ways to ground trust.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62453 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:49 am to
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Not blindly - there are actually better ways and worse ways to ground trust.
Yes, but you’ve continually peddled trust in authority over direct observation. No thanks.
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
170316 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:53 am to
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over direct observation

What do you mean by this exactly? Because it sounds an awful lot like meaningless anecdotes and confirmation bias to me.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
293106 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:54 am to
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Yes, but you’ve continually peddled trust in authority over direct observation



He's an authoritarian.

Covidians are extremists. Their little game trumped the economy, in their opinion. Their opinions were over valued.
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62453 posts
Posted on 1/13/23 at 11:55 am to
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Blindly trusting social media videos and anecdotal evidence is much better
Did you get a permit for thst strawman? My HOA doesn’t allow them.

Thst said… do you even have clue how often news media uses twitter posts as a source?
This post was edited on 1/13/23 at 11:56 am
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