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re: White House blocks Ambassador to EU from testifying this morning, Schiff 9:30 presser now

Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:00 pm to
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:00 pm to
Hell many of them have concluded "high crimes" have already been proven by what's already out there. Let's do it then.

Are the board's leftists arguing against that? If so, why? Why the necessity for further House "inquiry" if it's already clear that crimes were committed in Trump's Ukrainian actions??
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:01 pm to
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Serious question. Is it "justice" if they bring articles of impeachment and the republican controlled hearing speeds through a trial with no substance to protect the president?



Under our current framework, absolutely.

I guess you want to change that? Tell us how.
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:01 pm to
Hunh?
Posted by jawnybnsc
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:02 pm to
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Omce impeachment is official the senate can subpoena whoever the frick they want


Posted by PhDoogan
Member since Sep 2018
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:02 pm to
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Serious question. Is it "justice" if they bring articles of impeachment and the republican controlled hearing speeds through a trial with no substance to protect the president?


Yes because this current charade being perpetrated by the dims is baseless and is only being done to politically damage Trump.

Once again, dims projecting their own abuses of office onto others.

Did you ever answer my question about Schiff?
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:04 pm to
Full retard indeed. "Official impeachment" comes only after a FULL House vote as to whether to so so.

So that vote comes only after the accusing side's presentation, eh? How embarrassing, bmy.
Posted by BourreTheDog
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:05 pm to
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Gordon, one thing Kurt and I talked about yesterday was... President Zelensky is sensitive about Ukraine being taken seriously, not merely as an instrument in Washington domestic, reelection politics.”


Uh - ya think he might be referring to Hillary/Obama here? They certainly manipulated Ukraine to do their dirty work.
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:06 pm to
On another note, are we ever going to see the proof Schiff said he had on the collusion deal?
Posted by jawnybnsc
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Member since Dec 2016
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:07 pm to
We send cases to the jury all the time without the defense examining witnesses, subpoenaing documents, making any kind of argument, presenting any testimony or evidence . . .

oh wait . . .

we don't do that.
Posted by Jbird
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:08 pm to
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On another note, are we ever going to see the proof Schiff said he had on the collusion deal?
Shiff for brains had him by the balls on Muh Russians, wonder why the liar let him off the hook?
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:08 pm to
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On another note, are we ever going to see the proof Schiff said he had on the collusion deal?

The good ship Adam Schiff is currently missing a rudder. Be patient, he will eventually circle back to previously failed attempts to get Trump.
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:09 pm to
Oh, he was talking about Trump's "Russia, if you're listening...." sarcasm at the podium. Schiff was just too embarrassed to state that openly.

And if Adam Schiff's too embarrassed to claim ownership of something he insinuated.....woah.
Posted by bmy
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:13 pm to
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There is nothing to address. That "clear" text says nothing of any importance. Maybe I am slow and can't follow along. Please break down the gotcha moment in this for me and be painfully specific.



Trump allegedly used his authority to pressure Ukraine into investigating the Bidens to benefit the Trump 2020 reelection campaign.

July 21 (4 days prior to Trump/Zelensky call)

Bill Taylor (paraphrasing):
'President Zelensky is sensitive about Ukraine being taken as an instrument in Washington domestic, reelection politics'

US Ambassador to EU Sondland replies:
“Absolutely, but we need to get the conversation started and the relationship built, irrespective of the pretext."

The pretext Sondland is referring to is Zelenskys concern that Ukraine was being used as an instrument in the Trump 2020 reelection campaign instead of being taken seriously.

Is that specific enough?
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 1:14 pm
Posted by SSpaniel
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:13 pm to


Sneaky little words like allegedly and paraphrasing...

This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 1:14 pm
Posted by davyjones
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:18 pm to
And it's not just a joke, those are serious efforts. There wouldn't be this time and effort taken to put such an argument together if it were just a joke. I wish it were a joke.

Scary.

**And leaving out "inconsequential" tidbits such as the immediate response to Bill Taylor "I believe you've gotten that wrong."
This post was edited on 10/8/19 at 1:20 pm
Posted by Janky
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:19 pm to
Yes, and it says absolutely fricking nothing. Congrats.
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:21 pm to
Sondland's words are not the smoking gun you obviously believe it to be.

In fact, they convey no sinister intent whatsoever.
Posted by SSpaniel
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:27 pm to
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In fact, they convey no sinister intent whatsoever.




Well, they do if you read them in a sinister voice, leave out certain parts and add other things that you think should be there...
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:29 pm to
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Well, they do if you read them in a sinister voice, leave out certain parts and add other things that you think should be there..

Ah, a parody of the words. I get your point.
Posted by davyjones
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Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 10/8/19 at 1:29 pm to
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Well, they do if you read them in a sinister voice, leave out certain parts and add other things that you think should be there...

Or you could skip all of the above and just declare, without evidence, that there's sinister intent. Easy peasy.
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