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re: Where is the ACLU on free speech for Ann C.?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:15 am to ShortyRob
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:15 am to ShortyRob
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oh I suspect tgey would be getting dozens of calls from the ACLU begging to help. I doubt they would have to call the ACLU
And they may have called Ann Coulter and been turned down here. We don't know what happened. The irony of your example is that the ACLU has actually done work supporting the KKK.
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If you're trying to tell me that the ACLU would sit back and not try to make equal protection claims when the government was choosing repeat choosing to not protect a subset of people from violent threats I'm just going to sit here and laugh.
If they could find a viable plaintiff I'm sure they would make the claims. Where the viable plaintiff blows up her case though? What can they do?
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I mean we really taking the position that the only recourse for blacks in such a situation would be to hold the speech and watch their supporters getting beaten or worse before they can do anything?
No you file a court case prior to the speech and request a TRO. Even if you don't give the speech, you don't say "I'm choosing not to do this."
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Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:24 am to CorporateTiger
quote:against who?
No you file a court case prior to the speech and request a TRO.
Look man I realize you're trying to portray yourself as having expert insight into this but I highly doubt that every conservative speaker who has been forced to cancel have lawyers who have simply overlooked your Solutions.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:31 am to ShortyRob
And how long before local police in Liberal districts take the same position when actual political candidates show up?
Is that where we're going to be? Where governments pick and choose based on ideology which events they will have an active police presence at? While at the same time imposing legal restrictions upon those people trying to protect themselves
And then sit back and say looks not our fault that only one point of view is allowed to be heard?
Is that where we're going to be? Where governments pick and choose based on ideology which events they will have an active police presence at? While at the same time imposing legal restrictions upon those people trying to protect themselves
And then sit back and say looks not our fault that only one point of view is allowed to be heard?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:37 am to Foy
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You do not understand freedom of speech.
Destruction of property, violence and intimidation are not part of free speech. "Your right to express yourself stops at the tip of my nose."
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:37 am to ShortyRob
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against who?
Berkeley and/or the PD.
I'm not claiming a court case is easy, that's why a lot of people don't go down this road. There are plenty of conservative litigation groups that seemingly declined here too.
Calling the ACLU for not supporting Coulter (which they did) where there is no case (and look the right wing groups haven't come in to file a suit either) is ridiculous. This is a group that literally sued for the KKK, yet people think they are unwilling to defend Coulter is ridiculous.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:39 am to ShortyRob
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against who?
Look man I realize you're trying to portray yourself as having expert insight into this but I highly doubt that every conservative speaker who has been forced to cancel have lawyers who have simply overlooked your Solutions.
Well then they need to start fricking judge shopping. That horse shite by that judge in SF has never been done either.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:43 am to CorporateTiger
quote:a restraining order against the police? Who exactly are they threatening
Berkeley and/or the PD.
As to the ACLU I'm only talking about them because they're in this thread. I don't think their failure here is a problem that starts with them or ends with them
Clearly we have set up a system where the government is in fact allowed to pick and choose what speech is protected. Hence what should be a slam dunk obvious case for lawyers is instead a dark tunnel of bullshite
That's where we've arrived in America. Someone better get us out of that fricking tunnel fast world's people are going to start dying. Because if the government thinks that it can abandon an entire subset of people to violent thugs and that the subset won't eventually do the government's job for them albeit in a much less appropriate way they're fricking crazy
This post was edited on 4/27/17 at 7:45 am
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:45 am to gthog61
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Just another fricking double standard and leftists on the board really want to support the rioters but they lack the guts to say they do
This is true. Take some of the more liberal posters. They won't go as far as condemn ANTIFA because they share the same belief system and everyone knows liberals have a group think mentality. But they won't come here and side with them either because of how blatantly criminal ANTIFA is. What they will do, however, is deflect the shite out of any story where ANTIFA is being ridiculed. Take, for example, the story about the ANTIFA professor that was caught by reddit or 4chan with the bike lock. Within the first page of that thread, you had one of our resident libtards (i believe it was montana) reply to the story with, "oh yeah, well when will the nazi that punched that woman be charged"). Complete deflection and pivoting from the subject line.
Liberals support ANTIFA 100%. Don't be fooled. This "well even Coulter deserves to have free speech" talk is simply lip service to try and make themselves appear reasonable.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:49 am to BugAC
quote:this really is irrefutable at this point. If you watched all of the mainstream Networks you would barely know that group existed and what you would know would be extremely Limited. In fact in some reports you would almost find them sympathetic.
Liberals support ANTIFA 100%
We're talking about a group of masked bugs attacking fellow Americans a multiple cities across America and the mainstream networks can barely be bothered to cover it
That really is all you need to know if you find yourself wondering what the liberal opinion on the group is.
Cuz I sure as frick no what the news would look like if it were gay events being threatened or minority events being threatened by masked thugs to the point of cancellation
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:51 am to Pettifogger
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uhhh
ACLU National? Verified account @ACLU 5h5 hours ago
The heckler’s veto of Coulter's Berkeley speech is a loss for the 1st Amendment. We must protect speech on campus, even when hateful.
Wow! So, they are taking it to court? or just giving lip service?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:53 am to CorporateTiger
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And they may have called
Posted on 4/27/17 at 7:56 am to REG861
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Yea that was obviously a shot at her, but it also underscores their point that the most controversial speech needs protecting
Did they use those choice words for BLM? New Black Panther Party?
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:08 am to CorporateTiger
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And they may have called Ann Coulter and been turned down here. We don't know what happened. The irony of your example is that the ACLU has actually done work supporting the KKK.
The ACLU is suing a Catholic Hospital for refusing to do a transition surgery, so I doubt Ann Coulter has to give them her permission. When they see "injustice" they typically dive right in. It really points to how they really feel about protecting free speech.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:08 am to ShortyRob
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a restraining order against the police? Who exactly are they threatening
You don't have to be threatening anyone? People get TRO's against PDs and other government agencies on a regular basis. See for example against Trump on the immigration EO or Obama on his immigration EO.
A TRO is not the same as a "restraining order" you see in cases of DV.
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Clearly we have set up a system where the government is in fact allowed to pick and choose what speech is protected. Hence what should be a slam dunk obvious case for lawyers is instead a dark tunnel of bullshite
And I hope someone finds a way to stop this bullshite. Through the court system or otherwise.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:11 am to DawgsLife
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The ACLU is suing a Catholic Hospital for refusing to do a transition surgery, so I doubt Ann Coulter has to give them her permission. When they see "injustice" they typically dive right in. It really points to how they really feel about protecting free speech.
The ACLU is supporting the person's lawsuit. The person wanted to sue. The ACLU itself has no standing to sue a hospital.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 8:52 am to CorporateTiger
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You don't have to be threatening anyone? People get TRO's against PDs and other government agencies on a regular basis. See for example against Trump on the immigration EO or Obama on his immigration EO. A TRO is not the same as a "restraining order" you see in cases of DV.
I fail to see how a TRO would affect the police/government's "stand down" choice.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:08 am to toratiger
I bet Coulter fine-tuned her exit speech before she ever prepared for the actual gig. She's an opportunist, plain and simple...NOT appearing probably gave her just as much publicity (or more) than actually going through with it, and I'm sure she's well aware of that.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:15 am to CorporateTiger
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The ACLU is supporting the person's lawsuit. The person wanted to sue. The ACLU itself has no standing to sue a hospital.
I jut saw that, and i am more than willing to admit that I was wrong in this instance.
Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:26 am to DawgsLife
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I jut saw that, and i am more than willing to admit that I was wrong in this instance.
then you are a rare breed on here, congratulations on your honesty. And
at everyone down voting because the ACLU proved them wrong. Posted on 4/27/17 at 9:30 am to DownSouthJukin
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They just can't help themselves.
They are correct though. The speech we ALL should fight to protect the most is the very speech we find most offensive.
It's very easy to say "yes that's freedom of speech" when someone is saying something you agree with, not so much when it's something you totally disagree with.
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