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re: When was the last time America fought for a righteous cause?
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:30 pm to StrongOffer
Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:30 pm to StrongOffer
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Why were Korea and Vietnam not "just"? I think we went into Vietnam without an end game or exit strategy, but I believe we went in for noble reasons.
Are you sure? We were told the US inserted itself into Vietnam to stop the spread of communism from China and yet the same corrupt US government aka Corporatocracy unleashed China's economic power to challenge the US on a global scale...things that make you go hmmmm...
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Posted on 5/16/23 at 4:40 pm to Masterag
If you don't think Putin is pure evil and his full scale invasion of another country is worth fighting for particularly when we aren't using our troops you are a ignorant person.
But Ukraine is corrupt, and Zhelensky is...
How was WWII righteous if Stalin was our ally? The USSR and Stalin were a magnitude of a thousand times more evil and dangerous than anything the Putin bots on here can come up with about Ukraine.
But Ukraine is corrupt, and Zhelensky is...
How was WWII righteous if Stalin was our ally? The USSR and Stalin were a magnitude of a thousand times more evil and dangerous than anything the Putin bots on here can come up with about Ukraine.
Posted on 5/16/23 at 5:17 pm to Schleynole
Hitler declared war on U.S., but that probably had more to do with America supplying Russia & England. We had no reason to fight with Germany. Hitler did not want to fight England, but remember England & France declared war on Germany first. Yes we were attacked at Pearl Harbor, but a lot of that was on FDR, cutting off raw materials to Japan. So, no, WW2 fighting Germany was not a righteous cause & WW1 was even worse. All America does is get involved & make things worse. America should declare war on the CIA & have it abolished!
This post was edited on 5/16/23 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 5/16/23 at 5:19 pm to m2pro
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But what DID spread? Who DID win ww2?
Posted on 5/16/23 at 5:25 pm to Masterag
The War Of Northern Aggression
Posted on 5/17/23 at 1:43 pm to AUauditor
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That was a rebellion (e.g., Civil War). The only difference is that time the rebels won.
Yeah...that was just my bad sense of humor.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 2:30 pm to TxRan2020
You beat me to it. 1776 is correct
Posted on 5/17/23 at 2:37 pm to ole man
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You beat me to it. 1776 is correct
Lexington and Concord being the peak moment. Afterwards we got the continental army and all the expanded governmental trappings that came with it. Trappings that we still live with.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 2:38 pm to Masterag
2016 election
Posted on 5/17/23 at 2:42 pm to Masterag
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I honestly don’t know. I used to believe Iraq and Afghanistan were, but no longer.
Lol. You poor naïve soul.
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To what degree does it delegitimize us as a country that purports to be a force for moral good?
Lol, it doesn't. Geopolitics is amoral. That you fell for the rhetoric of morality in international relations says far more about you than it does about how nations behave.
The only thing that matters is power. Either you force others to live by your rules or you live by rules forced on you.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 2:42 pm to Tiger in Texas
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Hitler declared war on U.S., but that probably had more to do with America supplying Russia & England. We had no reason to fight with Germany. Hitler did not want to fight England, but remember England & France declared war on Germany first. Yes we were attacked at Pearl Harbor, but a lot of that was on FDR, cutting off raw materials to Japan. So, no, WW2 fighting Germany was not a righteous cause & WW1 was even worse. All America does is get involved & make things worse. America should declare war on the CIA & have it abolished!
You are a moron.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 3:13 pm to crazy4lsu
Hitler and Mussolini would've been a much easier negotiation than with the communists.
The Cold War with the communists would've never happened if we'd done the noble thing and helped Hitler eradicate them from the face of the planet.
But to the OP's question- 1776.
The Cold War with the communists would've never happened if we'd done the noble thing and helped Hitler eradicate them from the face of the planet.
But to the OP's question- 1776.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 3:21 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Hitler and Mussolini would've been a much easier negotiation than with the communists.
Lol
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The Cold War with the communists would've never happened if we'd done the noble thing and helped Hitler eradicate them from the face of the planet.
Lol. Do you people ever read what you type? My god.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 3:21 pm to crazy4lsu
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Do you people ever read what you type? My god.
Sorry I upset you with the truth. You must be a communist.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 3:24 pm to Masterag
Before WW2
Posted on 5/17/23 at 3:31 pm to Gideon Swashbuckler
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Sorry I upset you with the truth. You must be a communist.
There is absolutely no truth to the contention that Hitler and Mussolini would have been 'easier' to negotiate with.
Secondly, it was impossible for the US to ally with Hitler, because of Germany's own geopolitical positions. As in, Germany had their own geopolitical ambitions, which did not include the US. Indeed, the militarists in Germany saw the US as a potential rival, and even bandied about the idea that the key to a possible conflict with the US would be that the British would side with the Germans. Also it should be noted that by mid-1941, before the US had entered the war, the Germans saw the US as a threat directly, with a Naval War Staff diary recording that Hitler was of the opinion that Japan and Germany must annihilate the Russians and Americans together.
There was no possibility of an alliance with the Germans and Italians to 'annihilate' communism. It's just some syphilitic fantasy you have.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 3:41 pm to Masterag
WWII is the right answer. The unparalleled barbarism of both the Nazi atrocities and those of Hirohito and Tojo in Japan had to be stopped at all costs.
Those American and Allied soldiers who won that war were the greatest generation
Those American and Allied soldiers who won that war were the greatest generation
Posted on 5/17/23 at 4:06 pm to Masterag
We don't share enough of the same values to ever get on board.
A nation of 350 million of the most diverse humans ever created, governed by two parties and one govt. Its doomed to failure because its impractical and impossible.
You would have to roll the size of the federal govt back to 1900 status again to ever be small enough to unite us again.
A nation of 350 million of the most diverse humans ever created, governed by two parties and one govt. Its doomed to failure because its impractical and impossible.
You would have to roll the size of the federal govt back to 1900 status again to ever be small enough to unite us again.
This post was edited on 5/17/23 at 4:09 pm
Posted on 5/17/23 at 4:09 pm to m2pro
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WW1 is the answer
We would have been better off had the Kaiser won.
Posted on 5/17/23 at 4:13 pm to crazy4lsu
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There is absolutely no truth to the contention that Hitler and Mussolini would have been 'easier' to negotiate with.
What would you accept as proof?
The communists and America came to near nuclear war. I believe this wouldn't have happened had the communists not been around. Hitler wouldn't have nuked the USA because he realized our strength and would have been an actual ally unlike Russia who is still a thorn in our side. Which means the only way Hitler could've been worse than the commies is if he actually nuked the U S.
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Secondly, it was impossible for the US to ally with Hitler, because of Germany's own geopolitical positions. As in, Germany had their own geopolitical ambitions, which did not include the US.
Their geopolitical aspirations had to do 100% with Europe. America isn't in Europe, so.... thanks Captain Obvious I guess.
Your argument is that America couldn't be allies with Germany because of Germany's geopolitical aspirations.
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There was no possibility of an alliance with the Germans and Italians to 'annihilate' communism. It's just some syphilitic fantasy you have.
Why couldn't it be that U.S. leaders were themselves communists? And they allied themselves with communists in Europe? This is what happened after all.
Anybody that sides with a communist is a fricking communist, communist.
This post was edited on 5/17/23 at 4:16 pm
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