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When does Nationalism turn into Racism?
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:43 pm
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:43 pm
It’s seems like we’re in a period where liberals are quick to call nationalists, racist, pride is being confused with bigotry, you are chastised by the left if you tout you’re an American.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:45 pm to Tunasntigers92
When Democrats lose elections and feelings get hurt. That’s when.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:45 pm to Tunasntigers92
It's only racism if you believe that your country is good or bad based solely on the skin color or race of its inhabitants. Leftists conflate nationalism with "white nationalism" (only wanting white people to live here and succeed) in order to push their one-world government garbage.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:50 pm to Tunasntigers92
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liberals are quick to call nationalists
Democrat, liberal, socialist, communist, progressive scum all hate America so if you love America they obviously hate you, too. See how that works?
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:52 pm to CDawson
We are living in weird times
Posted on 5/3/19 at 4:55 pm to Tunasntigers92
It already is (eta to the propagandists in the media)
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 4:56 pm
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:03 pm to Tunasntigers92
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seems like we’re in a period where liberals are quick to call nationalists, racist, pride is being confused with bigotry, you are chastised by the left if you tout you’re an American.
You can be nationalist and not racist.
The factor that makes white nationalist racists is their own identitarian view on what makes you American. Many of the groups view only those of Caucasian origin and white skin can be considered American. This is not even a solid consensus, as many WN claim they hate Jews as well.
Some of the extreme groups (white supremacists) believe that not only are whites superior, but they should have totalitarian control of the land since their ancestors conquered it. (This is contradictory to itself, as many Europeans migrated into the US long after the Revolutionary and even Civil Wars had ended.)
TLDR basically its identity politics, but the context is focused on racial supremacy instead of racial victimization.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:06 pm to volod
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You can be nationalist and not racist.
Right, my point is that if you are nationalistic, you are walking a fine line, due to the left’s views.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:21 pm to Tunasntigers92
Simple. You're only allowed to be proud of the US and patriotic if a Dem is in the White House.
Duh.
Duh.
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:30 pm to volod
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You can be nationalist and not racist. The factor that makes white nationalist racists is their own identitarian view on what makes you American. Many of the groups view only those of Caucasian origin and white skin can be considered American. This is not even a solid consensus, as many WN claim they hate Jews as well. Some of the extreme groups (white supremacists) believe that not only are whites superior, but they should have totalitarian control of the land since their ancestors conquered it. (This is contradictory to itself, as many Europeans migrated into the US long after the Revolutionary and even Civil Wars had ended.) TLDR basically its identity politics, but the context is focused on racial supremacy instead
I would like to know if you consider racial "supremacism" to be the same as racial "separatism", thanks in advance for your answer.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:41 pm to Tunasntigers92
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Right, my point is that if you are nationalistic, you are walking a fine line, due to the left’s views.
Why not just be a patriot? Nationalism has a "frick everyone else" connotation to it that I don't think is really necessary.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:42 pm to cr32pll29
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Supremacism is an ideology which holds that particular people are superior to others, and that they should dominate, control, and subjugate others, or are entitled to do so.
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A common definition of separatism is that it is the advocacy of a state of cultural, ethnic, tribal, religious, racial, governmental or gender separation from the larger group. While it often refers to full political secession, separatist groups may seek nothing more than greater autonomy.
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No, they are inherently not the same. What motivates seperatism does not necessarily have to be supremacism.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:42 pm to sicboy
You have a different definition of nationalism than me, I purely think it’s pride in country, not “frick everyone else” at all.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:43 pm to Tunasntigers92
Never. They are two different things.
It's like asking when lettuce turns into ranch dressing.
It's like asking when lettuce turns into ranch dressing.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:45 pm to Tunasntigers92
I’m a proud white nationalist who has a great grandmother that was an African slave. Can I still be classified as a racist?
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:45 pm to Tunasntigers92
So honest question, how would you differentiate patriotism and nationalism?
ETA From Websters
ETA From Websters
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: loyalty and devotion to a nation
especially : a sense of national consciousness (see CONSCIOUSNESS sense 1c) exalting one nation above all others and placing primary emphasis on promotion of its culture and interests as opposed to those of other nations or supranational groups
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The Difference Between Nationalism, Patriotism, Sectionalism, and Jingoism
Nationalism has a number of near-synonyms, each of which carries its own distinct meaning. Patriotism is similar insofar as it emphasizes strong feelings for one’s country, but it does not necessarily imply an attitude of superiority. Sectionalism resembles nationalism in its suggestion of a geopolitical group pursuing its self-interest, but the group in question is usually smaller than an entire nation. Jingoism closely resembles nationalism in suggesting feelings of cultural superiority, but unlike nationalism, it always implies military aggressiveness.
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 5:48 pm
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:49 pm to Brazos
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I’m a proud white nationalist who has a great grandmother that was an African slave. Can I still be classified as a racist?
I don't think one has to do with the other.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:50 pm to sicboy
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Why not just be a patriot? Nationalism has a "frick everyone else" connotation to it that I don't think is really necessary
That's why I prefer patriotism. Nationalism doesn't really add anything to your country that patriotism wouldn't. If anything, it leads to the ideology that you cant improve as a nation because you do everything better. This isnt the case for every aspect in the United States except military strength and fat people.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 5:52 pm to volod
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If anything, it leads to the ideology that you cant improve as a nation because you do everything better. This isnt the case for every aspect in the United States except military strength and fat people.
I laughed.
But you're right, if you can't be open to the idea that maybe somebody else might have figured out a better way of doing things because "that's not how I do it", then you'll never grow as a person. Same for our country. I love the USA but we're in no way perfect.
Posted on 5/3/19 at 6:30 pm to Tunasntigers92
It doesn't. That's why white nationalism has the adjective in it.
This post was edited on 5/3/19 at 6:31 pm
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