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re: When did Republicans stop caring about bodily autonomy?
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:08 pm to DemonKA3268
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:08 pm to DemonKA3268
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The coward will do nothing of the sort.
He did just that, but there are a lot of posts to keep up with and you guys are often making the same bad arguments from different people.
Takes work to set all of you straight!
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Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:08 pm to BamaAtl
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Bodily autonomy is defined as the right to self governance over one’s own body without external influence or coercion.
OK. If a person outside the womb lacks the ability to consent for any of a wide variety of reasons, can I kill them?
Your link is too retarded that EITHER it is making a solid argument against abortion OR, it's making a solid argument for killing people who can't consent even when they're out of the womb.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:08 pm to ShortyRob
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he state can prevent you from violating another person's bodily autonomy.
Can the state force you to violate your bodily autonomy?
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:08 pm to BamaAtl
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I think we can all agree we've moved beyond the days of Christians burning witches at the stake - at least in the US.
you are the one using the concepts those men created, not me
so have we moved beyond the concept of the "social contract"? if not, why are you picking and choosing which philosophies they promoted?
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:08 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Risks of going to term is a different matter, and it's already been said by me and others that making an exception for the life of the mother is a reasonable exception. That still isn't doing anything other than personal upkeep, which would happen whether or not the mother was pregnant or not.
Not true at all - they have to carry a baby to term, which carries a whole host of risks.
quote:The nature of the choice matters, as do the consequences. I'm in favor of the state saying that someone can't make the choice to kill my 4-year old. Are you personally against laws mandating that certain choices like rape and murder are not tolerated? If you aren't against those, then you have to agree that some choices a person makes can't be tolerated.
The question wasn't really about action vs inaction, though - it was about state mandating a choice.
Why are you okay with the state mandating one choice, but not the other? Lives are involved in both cases.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:09 pm to BamaAtl
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Can the state force you to violate your bodily autonomy?
here i'll summarize the correct response: no, but science can
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:09 pm to BamaAtl
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without external influence
So if one receives' welfare, that person gives up the right to "bodily autonomy" according to that definition....
Getting stamps for squirting out Democrats is definitely a big external influence....
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:10 pm to LSUGrrrl
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OR they can walk into Walmart and buy it over the counter for $12.
So if a woman is raped and too traumatized to immediately get Plan B, tough shite?
What a monster you are.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:10 pm to BamaAtl
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When did Republicans stop caring about bodily autonomy?
Bodily Autonomy is a euphemism for either embyonicide or infantacide. It sounds good and glosses over the absolute horror of what takes place in an abortion clinic and the moral bankruptcy of those who spout the term. Let me ask a question. Is the technology available to prevent pregnancy?? Does it exist? Let's make that available to all those who desire sexual intercourse but not the consequence.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:10 pm to BamaAtl
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To make an accurate point about state coercion of an individual's bodily autonomy. You're attempting to skew it toward murder, when that's not the issue at all.
Again, your problem is, you don't recognize that in your analogy, the person being killed for their kidney is the baby and, the person doing the killing is the mom.
That you can't see that is honestly just another example of your stupidity.
Again, to use your analogy, the state saying "yes" to you asking to kill for convenience is exactly like the state saying "yes" to me killing you for your kidney.
You don't want me to kill you for your kidney. The baby doesn't want you to kill it just because you fricked up.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:11 pm to ShortyRob
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But in your kidney analogy, the person you want to kill for their kidney played NO ROLE WHATSOEVER in the fact you need a kidney.
And? We're talking about the state mandating what you do with your body. Ready to answer?
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:11 pm to BamaAtl
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So if a woman is raped and too traumatized to immediately get Plan B, tough shite?
What a monster you are.
there is a certain point where she has to.
you do know that there are plenty of people either being more honest or who are legitimately more leftist than you who would call your stance being a monster, b/c you didn't give that woman enough time, right?
it's literally the same argument
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:12 pm to BamaAtl
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And? We're talking about the state mandating what you do with your body. Ready to answer?
Again, your problem is, you don't recognize that in your analogy, the person being killed for their kidney is the baby and, the person doing the killing is the mom.
That you can't see that is honestly just another example of your stupidity.
Again, to use your analogy, the state saying "yes" to you asking to kill for convenience is exactly like the state saying "yes" to me killing you for your kidney.
You don't want me to kill you for your kidney. The baby doesn't want you to kill it just because you fricked up.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:12 pm to ShortyRob
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For the same reason your right to stay alive supersedes my right to kill you for your kidneys.
But does your right to your kidneys supersede my right to take one if I need it through the force of the state, if I wanted to and you would live post-transplant?
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:12 pm to ShortyRob
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you placed viability at fricking womb exit
I didn't. If you think I did, you misunderstood me.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:12 pm to BamaAtl
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He did just that, but there are a lot of posts to keep up with and you guys are often making the same bad arguments from different people. Takes work to set all of you straight!
And just when we thought you couldn't be any more clueless
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:13 pm to BamaAtl
quote:The state is simply saying you can't kill another person.
And? We're talking about the state mandating what you do with your body. Ready to answer?
Your reasons for wanting to kill the person are of no concern to the state
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:13 pm to BamaAtl
quote:That's an arbitrary opinion and not a viable (pun intended), rational argument.
What a monster you are.
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:13 pm to BamaAtl
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But does your right to your kidneys supersede my right to take one if I need it through the force of the state,
the problem is that the state isn't forcing women to carry babies. science is
that's why your analogy fails
if the state were forcing women to get pregnant against their will then your analogy would be more apt
Posted on 5/16/19 at 12:13 pm to BamaAtl
quote:Again, your problem is, you don't recognize that in your analogy, the person being killed for their kidney is the baby and, the person doing the killing is the mom.
But does your right to your kidneys supersede my right to take one if I need it through the force of the state,
That you can't see that is honestly just another example of your stupidity.
Again, to use your analogy, the state saying "yes" to you asking to kill for convenience is exactly like the state saying "yes" to me killing you for your kidney.
You don't want me to kill you for your kidney. The baby doesn't want you to kill it just because you fricked up.
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