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re: What’s your age, occupation & core political ideology

Posted on 7/30/18 at 8:35 am to
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 8:35 am to
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socially liberal, fiscally conservative. i guess a right leaning libertarian. small government and free markets. personal responsibility over government safety net.

estimator for an industrial fab shop
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 8:46 am to
47 , retired US Army (Colonel) and my political ideology is conservative on all issues concerning government authority (which is far more than most people who claim they are conservatives can actually say)
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:14 am to
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ETA: WTF is a paleo conservative?


People who claim to be all about Liberty and freedom but want to enforce their social morals on others through legislation, i.e. big government.
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:17 am to
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frick Rugged Individualism, I'll take my inheritance and help grow my family's wealth.


Are you just insecure because you were never tested? Mad at those that could do what you couldn't? Stand on their own two feet?

Don't be a hater, bro.
This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 11:11 am
Posted by nola000
Lacombe, LA
Member since Dec 2014
13139 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:22 am to
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Oh I don't see it as an either/or. I simply find the "You didn't build that" crap offensive as hell.

Here is the deal Tchoup:
In Europe it is likely your family would never have had the opportunity to avail itself of hydrocarbons on your property, because land is owned based on medieval nobility. Your family attained wealth in ways most Europeans would find inconceivable. What you are living is really a uniquely American opportunity.

The composition of the world's richest individuals speaks to that opportunity. It is dominated by Americans. The Walton's inherited theirs as 2nd gens. The rest are new money, new American money.

It is something we take for granted. We shouldn't. The ability of individual Americans to suddenly acquire wealth, either thru good fortune or calculated patience/planning/toil, is the foundational essence of exceptionalism. The ability of a literal bastard, born to an oddball middle-class mother, to become the nation's Chief Executive is the epitome of American Exceptionalism. It is American opportunity manifested. Yet Obama wanted none of that truth. Instead, he attached extrapolated anticolonial jealousy of the father he barely knew to this country.

Until Obama, wealth was something which was a source of pride. Created or inherited, it mattered little, Americans sought it with pride. Enter BHO stage left. Obama inspired and encouraged a Leninesque wealth-envy. Suddenly inherited wealth was a liability, a potential target for state encouraged theft. I have zero patience for that Leninist-Maoist crap.

Anyway, I'd view the above as expressions of Rugged Individualism.



fricking Bravo.

Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
56472 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 9:37 am to
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DEG


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Free market, small government, right of the aisle


Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:03 am to
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You don't think so?



No. Not in any sense of the word is Little Lord Fauntleroy "rugged".
Posted by HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Member since Feb 2017
12458 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:10 am to
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DEG



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Free market, small government, right of the aisle






Amazes me that people here are always embarrassed to admit they are liberal.

Posted by Paluka
One State Over
Member since Dec 2010
10763 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:14 am to
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Psychologist
Strict Constitutionalist.
Posted by brian_wilson
Member since Oct 2016
3581 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:34 am to
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Small business owner

Independent - Issues in order of importance: balanced budget, personal freedoms, fewer foreign interventions, pro free trade, pro immigration
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 11:35 am to
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The only way I can figure I, is that "rugged individualism" means a man should be able to go out on his own and marry into a rich and powerful family to be successful, like Reagan did. Or he should be able to strike out on his own with the benefit of a multi-million dollar inheritance, like Trump did.


Or maybe like both my grandfathers did.

One came from deep poverty, never got beyond elementary school, got into farming and by the time he retired he was paying for equipment (tractors, cotton-pickers, trailers, etc) with cash. He saved money to buy more land to farm more to make more money to buy more land, etc. By the time he retired he was farming over 1,000 acres and owed no debt.

The other was the child of divorce in turn-of-the-century South Louisiana (his father was a "dirty Italian" so that was another strike against him). He was raised by his mother in a single-parent home and was dirt poor. He graduated high school but never went to college. Instead he went into retail and busted his arse. By the time he retired he was Vice President of the company, held multiple rental properties, had taught himself to invest well and was worth well over a million dollars.

Neither man ever went around bemoaning their humble beginnings, blamed those beginnings for their own failings nor looked for handouts. They worked hard, learned their respective crafts and parlayed those into better lives for their families after coming from nothing.

That's rugged individualism.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:15 pm to
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That's rugged individualism.

No one here seems to be getting the point due to preconceived notions.

I am not saying that rugged individualism is a bad thing. I am saying that generational accumulation of wealth is better. Our government should be promoting generational accumulation of wealth by not taxing it. If the government wants to PROMOTE rugged individualism, they would tax inheritance at 100% and force everyone to make their own way. Making one's own way is great and all, I just don't think the government should be in the business of promoting that way of life.

Personally, I've experienced both. I left home at 16, finished high school and got a job. I was able to save up enough money working to pay for a year of college. During that year I got another job which paid for the rest. Although it took me 7 years to get an undergraduate degree, I paid for it myself, and graduated debt free. I then started my professional career. It wasn't until 10 years into my professional career that I started to realize the benefits of inheritance when my grandmother passed. I was well on my way to making it on my own (had bought a house), but I also wasn't going to turn down any inheritance based on some romantic notion of rugged individualism.

I believe that generational wealth accumulation is actually DISCOURAGED in this country, and "rugged individualism" is the ploy to get us to de-value it.
Posted by geauxbrown
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
19440 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:18 pm to
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TV Producer
Christian Conservative
Posted by NCdawgfan34
North Carolina
Member since Jun 2015
1037 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:22 pm to
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Assistant Director of Construction & Renovation @ a University (Blessed)

Rockefeller Republican (endangered species)
Posted by ApexTiger
cary nc
Member since Oct 2003
53771 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:33 pm to
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Owner of Professional Remodeling company

Christian conservative...

When it comes to personal beliefs versus role of government I find this can be a dicey territory to navigate when discussing political subjects.

I allow myself to wear 2 different hats to do so because I think Government should be more of open venue for people to choose what they want for themselves...versus my personal beliefs of right and wrong.

I desire reasonable regulation, not business choking regulation

Overall I want a responsible government that lives within it's means.

I believe in reasonable healthcare but I don't believe in free or government sponsored HC

I like Trump's positions on a lot of issues...travel ban, border wall, tough on trade, jobs, reasonable regulation, tax cuts...and so on...

it makes sense to me...thus I support it


This post was edited on 7/30/18 at 12:38 pm
Posted by cajunangelle
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:40 pm to
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Rockefeller Republican (endangered species)
what is this?
Posted by Big Chipper
Charlotte, NC
Member since Sep 2008
2776 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 12:59 pm to
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Senior Financial Analyst

Secular Fiscal Conservative
Posted by Bard
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Member since Oct 2008
51580 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 2:22 pm to
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I believe that generational wealth accumulation is actually DISCOURAGED in this country, and "rugged individualism" is the ploy to get us to de-value it.


You seem to be putting them at opposite ends of the spectrum. I see rugged individualism as the stepping stone towards generational wealth for those that haven't achieved it yet.

I agree with you on government not doing more to promote generational wealth accumulation, but then again look at how the federal government currently manages its own wealth and you'll see why it doesn't.

We went from a President that actually paid down the debt some to one that doubled the debt we had when he came into office to one that more than doubled the debt the previous one incurred. We're still running an average half-trillion in extra debt accumulation each year and that will only be exacerbated as interest rates rise.

It's hard for someone to teach something they can't do themselves.
Posted by WildTchoupitoulas
Member since Jan 2010
44071 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:44 pm to
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I agree with you on government not doing more to promote generational wealth accumulation, but then again look at how the federal government currently manages its own wealth and you'll see why it doesn't.

Because the people who control the government get rich off of the national debt. They also get rich off of personal debt. That's why they don't want to see the American middle class accumulating wealth, they're making too much money financing their debt loads. It's the same reason they don't want to see the national debt paid down.
Posted by Chief One Word
Eastern Washington State
Member since Mar 2018
3687 posts
Posted on 7/30/18 at 4:59 pm to
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