re: what issues did Russia successfully change the minds of Americans to get trump elected?

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Look at this objectively- Obama was a pretty smart dude, the "let's sit down and drink a beer over this" event was a brilliant move, made me give him kudos for that. He generally said nice things about America, gave a "positive futures await us" series of generic speeches.


The only thing I really remember about this is "he acted stupidly".

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Politics of perception. Sat down and "had a beer" for two guys to talk it out. Always doing the NCAA brackets, just like everyday people. See, I'm not such a scary black dude, I'm just a normal guy.

Then, when Hillary wants to use his political influence, it's suddenly time for BLM to burn Baltimore to the ground and go on tour nationally (coming soon to a street near you, RACE RIOTS!).
Yeah, good luck using THAT, Hillary.

There are aspects of what happened that I don't think could have been planned to go any worse for the party in power. It's almost like he burned the fricking bridges.

If Obama did that, then the reason goes beyond party politics (obviously); it would have to be a personal reason. He would have to feel that razing all potential goodwill for the Democratic party in general was worth keeping Hillary out of the White House. Think about that, and what it says about her, if that's the case.

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Russia spent less than 300k on social media whereas the Hillary and Trump combined for 81 million spent on social media.

he Russia influence is greatly exaggerated.

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We need Russian-based fiscal policies now!!!

I don't know about you, but the one time I visited FB I saw one Russian influenced as and it made me vote for Trump.

The Russians used fake news to convince Americans that Hillary Clinton was corrupt by hacking and revealing her emails that she had tried to destroy with a bleach bit and hammers.

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This kind of comment is the problem. Because its a political issue you guys are making light of the fact that the Russians have a dedicated information warfare operation capable of reaching millions of Americans. I just can't understand how this doesn't trouble you. We should be fighting against this regardless of who it may have helped.

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This kind of comment is the problem. You think people are too stupid to actually make their own decisions. You portray, no are, some elitist who, like what has been shown in recent weeks, think that the common voter is too stupid to be informed about something as insignificant as $100k in FB ads. Please do us a favor and grow a sense of humor. It will help you when your empress and lord savior are behind bars.

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This kind of comment is the problem. Because its a political issue you guys are making light of the fact that the Russians have a dedicated information warfare operation capable of reaching millions of Americans. I just can't understand how this doesn't trouble you. We should be fighting against this regardless of who it may have helped.

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What do you propose?

No one on an IP outside the US can post on facebook? That can be easily circumnavigated.

Facebook fact-check every post before it's made public? The cost and manpower needed would be impossible.

Facebook not allow any political posts? Facebook not allow any posts that you disagree with?

Do you agree that something should be done about the biased MSM considering they reach and influence for more Americans than a few posts on social media? Surely, you can't be upset with misleading Facebook posts but completely OK with the lies and propaganda put forth by the media day in and day out.

There is absolutely no way to do what you are suggesting without censorship and an impossible amount of effort. I prefer to have all information available and allowed to make a decision for myself. This is the world we live in. Information, accurate or not, is freely exchanged. How about our schools teach people how to think and encourage them to be active in politics and the rest of the world instead of indoctrinating them into a groupthink (usually liberal) mindset? That is my suggestion.

Xe doesn't care as long as Drumpf, aka Agent Orange, aka cheeto dust is removed from office. Xe acts all high and mighty with ex's moral high ground and tells us we are too stupid to know what's actually in our own best interest due to ex's intellectual superiority. In the end, xe and xe' friends will be sky screaming once indictments are handed out to all those who conspired to help corrupt Clinton.

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You are downplaying an information warfare campign executed to perfection by a historical enemy just because you hate Democrats.

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I know a bunch of democrats that say that assertation is total bullshite...

If what you assert is true, they spent a hundredth of a penny per vote while the Ds netted $2/vote

That means it's 20,000 times more expensive to get a Democrat vote than as Trump vote...
AND IT WASNT ENOUGH...believe it or not, throwing the primaries, her criminality and no attention to the Midwest lost the election...
Not Russia's shite...and the ads they bought were pro BLM and shite...

So blind.

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What do you propose?

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For starters, let's all acknowledge the problem instead of pretending it didn't happen for political expediency. Vigilance and all that...

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No one on an IP outside the US can post on facebook? That can be easily circumnavigated.

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Ridiculous and never said it...

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Facebook fact-check every post before it's made public? The cost and manpower needed would be impossible.

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Terms of service regarding folks associated with government entities and the type of content they can post.

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Facebook not allow any political posts?

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Nope...but many a forum including this one claims to not allow blatantly false information masquerading as real information. Recently they discussed notifying users when they have "liked" a post originating from a government entity and identifying that entity.

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Facebook not allow any posts that you disagree with?

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Nice try.

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Do you agree that something should be done about the biased MSM considering they reach and influence for more Americans than a few posts on social media? Surely, you can't be upset with misleading Facebook posts but completely OK with the lies and propaganda put forth by the media day in and day out.

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I am on record on this forum condemning Cable news repeatedly. Check me out. And it goes both ways. Fox News has long been an unofficial surrogate of the Republican party. Most here don't seem so outraged about this..

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here is absolutely no way to do what you are suggesting without censorship and an impossible amount of effort.

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Impossible amount of effort is not something I believe in as a computer scientist. The art of the possible is our governing motive. And this requires regular folks also being more vigilant. You shouldn't retweet or share posts just because they confirm your world view. Consider the source. Is it too much to ask for adults with the power to elect leadership to do their due diligence beyond just reping their side?

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This is the world we live in. Information, accurate or not, is freely exchanged.

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The bolded part is not something we have to accept as a new normal. Folks need to learn to disseminate information in this new world if we can't rely on professionals to do it for us. This shouldn't be a partisan issue.

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How about our schools teach people how to think and encourage them to be active in politics and the rest of the world instead of indoctrinating them into a groupthink (usually liberal) mindset?

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You were on a good track there until you revealed that you are part of the problem with the bolded text.

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Some people aren't that bright. Not my fault...

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And that's on both sides, yet you still maintain an elitist attitude with your concluding statement.

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I don't view myself that way but these days given my education and work experience I am going to be reviled by the right regardless...

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Education is becoming a tired meme. Hundreds of thousands of people have a higher education, as defined by a a college degree or higher, yet many of those likely couldn't make an informed opinion over those without a higher education.

And no, I'd imagine the right wouldn't revile you because you are educated and have experience--whatever the latter means. Why would they? First, you are generalizing that the right is uneducated and inexperienced. Second, I'd imagine the right doesn't revile all leftists, just those who degrade them at every twist and turn. Are you one of those?