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re: What is the source of our rights?
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:29 am to wackatimesthree
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:29 am to wackatimesthree
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All things equal, equal access to the same weapons, women are not going to defeat men, and it wouldn't even be close.
I agree.
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Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:33 am to 4cubbies
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Pretty rude of you to meticulously respond to every other post n the thread and ignore my post to you but whatever.
That's so you/he doesn't get confused again and use the wrong screen name again.
This post was edited on 3/30/26 at 10:34 am
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:34 am to Mike da Tigah
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What is the source of our rights?
Millions of guns in the hands of civilians. Full stop.
"Rights" are taken or given by force since the dawn of man. A document doesn't guarantee it, the courts don't guarantee it, and government damn sure doesn't.
The people themselves are the source.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:34 am to wackatimesthree
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That's so you/he doesn't get confused again and use the wrong screen name again.
What the frick?
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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Did they always have the right to vote?
In some places, such as New Jersey, Wyoming, Utah and others...
Yes they did.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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Men used force to deny women the right to vote
Does one actually have the "right" to vote?
This was withheld for many only because of property ownership or the lack thereof in many places.
Idea wasn't a right so much as an investiture.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:38 am to 4cubbies
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Anyway the board thinks laws and prison are what keeps people civilized.
God, you're retarded.
And thats just 16 hours worth of a police strike.
AND thats the allegedly super nice Canadians.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:38 am to 4cubbies
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I think we need new social constructs.
After a million pages of you crying about it? Ya don't say?
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Anyway the board thinks laws and prison are what keeps people civilized.
Well explain the massive drop in the homicide rate in El Salvador. Did they adopt new sowshul connstructs??
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:41 am to UtahCajun
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Does one actually have the "right" to vote?
This is more applicable to the post above where you took a rhetorical question and gave a much more tactile response
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This was withheld for many only because of property ownership or the lack thereof in many places.
Idea wasn't a right so much as an investiture.
And yet it's seen as one of our most fundamental rights today, even by the retards who argue that the US isn't a democracy.
Go test it. Make a thread to say that a college degree should be required to vote and see the baw melts. They will display how they view it as a right.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:41 am to UtahCajun
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No pretzel twisting needed. Just bad faith skills.
FIFY.
Look, I get it. Post-modernism has woven its way through society like leaven through bread. People routinely pretend that there can be justice without any moral grounding and also pretend to not understand why there can't be. It's all part of being your own god.
I understand all of that.
What I don't understand is how it doesn't occur to people like you that taking that position removes your own grounding to be bent out of shape about literally anything.
Government waste and fraud? So what? You don't have a right for them to be good stewards of the money they take from you.
Government lying to engage in a war that your children will be called upon to fight? So what? It is what it is. You haven't been presented with any injustice, because in order for injustice to exist, justice has to exist first and you've ruled that out.
Someone comes to your door, beats you up, rapes your wife, takes your stuff? So what? They were able to generate the force to do it, you can't be upset about it.
Yeah, you can use the greater force of the state to punish them after the fact, but you can't get upset about it and you also can't complain if the state decides NOT to use its greater force to punish the perp.
Everything just is what it is.
But you don't live that way, and no one else does either.
Wonder why.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:43 am to 4cubbies
Everyone: *Having fun at a crab boil*
4chubby: Did you know females are superior to males across species?"
The most unbelievable part of this is that someone invited you to a crab boil. Doubt they'd make that mistake again.
4chubby: Did you know females are superior to males across species?"
The most unbelievable part of this is that someone invited you to a crab boil. Doubt they'd make that mistake again.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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This is more applicable to the post above where you took a rhetorical question and gave a much more tactile response
No, it's just not a response you can't answer.
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And yet it's seen as one of our most fundamental rights today, even by the retards who argue that the US isn't a democracy.
Now you're pivoting. Correctly identifying whether any given example is, in fact, an inalienable right is a different proposition than positing that rights exist. Epistemology vs ontology.
But you knew that. Just a fallacious appeal to ridicule.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:46 am to SlowFlowPro
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What the frick?
Who, me?
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:46 am to Azkiger
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Everyone: *Having fun at a crab boil*
4chubby: Did you know females are superior to males across species?"
The most unbelievable part of this is that someone invited you to a crab boil. Doubt they'd make that mistake again.
The epitome of this SNL sketch:
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:46 am to UtahCajun
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Croatianfest
How was it? A friend of mine from high school is the daughter of Croatian immigrants. They lived in Audubon Place though, not the stank bank. Algiers really shouldn't be considered "the city proper" anyway.
quote:This question can be reframed as "What do men expect from men and women?"
What expectations does western society have for men vs women.
quote:When we say "society," we really mean the people with the power to influence society.
Do not forget that women are a part of society, so are they also part of this expectation?
quote:Society expects everything from women. These expectations are often competing and conflicting.
the women on the panel could not even agree with what society expects from women.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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Go test it. Make a thread to say that a college degree should be required to vote and see the baw melts. They will display how they view it as a right
Nope. Already seent it (is that how one spells seent)
Already had some here tell me neither my wife nor I should be able to vote here. Wife has dual citizenship and I am applying.
Truthfully, I wouldn't care if being an expat means I lost my ability to vote here. But if so, tUSA would need to stop bugging me about how much money I make in another country and how much money I have in the bank accounts there. Most other "less free" countries sure do not care.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:47 am to 4cubbies
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Society expects everything from women.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:47 am to wackatimesthree
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People routinely pretend that there can be justice without any moral grounding
"Moral grounding" ends up in the same discussion being had about rights, FWIW, because morality was also created via societal trial and error over time and has developed parallel to the concept of rights as we continue that trial and error methodology as society advances.
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What I don't understand is how it doesn't occur to people like you that taking that position removes your own grounding to be bent out of shape about literally anything.
That's not exactly true, unless you create a dishonest framing either for how to define the concepts or how a person can discuss the concepts (or the genesis of the concepts)
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Government waste and fraud? So what? You don't have a right for them to be good stewards of the money they take from you.
This is actually a truthful statement.
That's why our system was designed as a democracy to let the people respond to these failings of the governments they elect
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Government lying to engage in a war that your children will be called upon to fight? So what? It is what it is. You haven't been presented with any injustice, because in order for injustice to exist, justice has to exist first and you've ruled that out.
Again, not a moral/right issue here, either. This is strictly part of the relationship between individual and government in a democratic society.
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Someone comes to your door, beats you up, rapes your wife, takes your stuff? So what? They were able to generate the force to do it, you can't be upset about it.
You're pivoting the dishonest framing into individual-individual interactions now
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But you don't live that way, and no one else does either.
Wonder why.
We've been socialized through a society that has been developed (via the societal trial and error referenced above) over thousands of years.
People who are socialized by societies who haven't been on this path do "live that way", sadly. And we judge them for it due to our superior socialization.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:48 am to wackatimesthree
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Who, me?
cubbies is a female who is married to a male poster and has met multiple posters (not me)
I am a male not married to a female poster who has met hundreds of posters.
Finkle cannot be Einhorn.
Posted on 3/30/26 at 10:52 am to wackatimesthree
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Look, I get it. Post-modernism has woven its way through society like leaven through bread. People routinely pretend that there can be justice without any moral grounding and also pretend to not understand why there can't be. It's all part of being your own god
Not gonna quote the rest of your post. Not because it isn't good. It is more that I do in fact agree.
There has to be a calibrating method for equal application of justice. We call that calibrating method rights. If we say they are from God, fine. I may not be the most devote person here, hell I am more agnostic than anything. I do absolutely admit living by Christian values is the best way for a society to live...so far. Nothing in history has come close.
Post-modernist I am not.
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