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Posted on 4/9/18 at 4:29 pm to TigerDoc
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TigerDoc
Some of those points are decent, but it goes off the deep end on some. 1, 2, 4, and 6 are probably the essential aspects to Fascism as it is something that is able to be achieved by either side of a political spectrum. 3 I would say is more of a way to achieve Fascism and create fear, but not a requirement of Fascism. However I'll leave that one out.
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8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.
Is not a criteria of Fascism, simply a convenient method of achieving it. Fascism has no requirement of any religious base. Religion can just be a tool to achieve the outcome, but it can be achieved other ways.
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5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
This ties into # 2 a lot, but the sexism is an attempt at framing an ideology. What government ever has had a prominent female presence? By their reasoning, government in general is sexist. None of this, however, is required for Fascism.
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13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
Neither of these are necessarily required in Fascism. These are more just byproducts of corrupt people in power.
This post was edited on 4/9/18 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 4/9/18 at 4:43 pm to GoCrazyAuburn
I think it is fair to say that Russia & China today are pretty much spot on for Fascism.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 4:53 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
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...and if you're going to use someone else's take, link it, or at least cite it.
Da fuk are you talking about this time?Sited every source quoted.
Posted on 4/9/18 at 5:10 pm to RD Dawg
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Da fuk are you talking about this time?
Here's the entirety of your first response to me:
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In the context of defining terms technically, such as "What is Fascism", I believe it's important to make the distinction. In the typical poo-flinging contests that go on on the board, I'm okay with the Right accusing the Left of being 'communists!', and the Left accusing the Right of being 'Fascists!' because there does seem to be a differentiation between management and labor between fascism and communism that corresponds loosely with our Right/Left dichotomy.
All the "isms" are descended from Karl Marx and Communism
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The father of fascism is a man named Giovanni Gentile.
Born in 1875, Gentile was one of the world’s most influential philosophers in the first half of the 20th century. Inspired by his mentor Karl Marx, Gentile believed that the state should resemble a family. This remains a common leftist theme. During the 1984 convention of the Democratic Party, the governor of New York, Mario Cuomo, likened America to “an extended family where, through the government, people all take care of each other.” Thirty years later, the slogan of the 2012 Democratic Party convention was, “The government is the only thing we all belong to.”
Gentile considered fascism to be the most workable form of socialism. “Fascism mobilizes people by appealing to their national identity as well as their class,” explains D’Souza. “Fascists are socialists with a national identity.”
Gentile also believed all private action should be oriented to serve society, with no distinction between private interest and public interest. He considered the state to be the administrative arm of society, so society and all its members were to submit to the state in everything.
Italian fascist dictator, Benito Mussolini, simply paraphrased Gentile when he wrote in his Dottrina del Fascismo, one of the doctrinal statements of early fascism, “All is in the state and nothing human exists or has value outside the state.”
Just like Gentile, Democratic progressives champion a centralized state, which explains the recent expansion of state control in the private sectors of healthcare, banking, education and energy. “Leftists can’t acknowledge their man, Gentile, because that would undermine their attempt to bind conservatism to fascism,” says D’Souza.
Conservatives support small government in order to empower individual liberties, but the left wants the resources of individuals and industries to service the state. “To acknowledge Gentile is to acknowledge that fascism bears a deep kinship to the ideology of today’s left. So, they will keep Gentile where they’ve got him:
My response really should have been, "So?"
You quoted someone that you didn't cite. (A quick google unearthed this hack job: Freedom Outpost (Help! Facebook is oppresiing us!) which was referencing this article: PragerU and Dinesh D’Souza Unearth the Leftist Roots of Fascism
Your quote really didn't respond materially to my post.
You didn't have a take of your own.
You suck.
'Mout.
Posted on 4/10/18 at 9:39 am to Speckhunter2012
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You have no idea what you are talking about.
They are all from the same branch of the tree which does not include Libertarianism or Conservatives.
Less and smaller Government cannot equal the Tyrannical government's of fascism, socialism, statism, communism et al.
It is pretty clear to anyone who can rationalize More Government versus Less Government!
Until corporations become de-facto government
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