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re: what is the closest comparator nation to the United States, slavery-wise?

Posted on 12/30/13 at 10:47 pm to
Posted by willthezombie
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Posted on 12/30/13 at 10:47 pm to
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In terms of number of slaves, where they came from, when it was legal, how important slavery was to the economy, how they were treated, and any other factors you think worth discussing.


In terms of numbers (especially if you count the pre 1776) Britain. France and Spain as well. Like someone said throw in any of the ancients societies. Prior to technology (i.e. Industrial Revolution) slavery/serfdom/indentured servitude was standard practice for most of human history (not just the wacist south).
Posted by SundayFunday
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Posted on 12/30/13 at 10:56 pm to
Here is a fun fact on slavery today.
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There are more slaves today than were seized from Africa in four centuries of the trans-Atlantic slave trade. The modern commerce in humans rivals illegal drug trafficking in its global reach—and in the destruction of lives.

Posted by willthezombie
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Posted on 12/30/13 at 11:01 pm to
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That's partially due to U.S. laws preventing the further importation of slaves and the way other countries, like France, had a different way they used their slaves. They just worked theirs to death and then brought new ones in, whereas we in the U.S. had to have a domestic breeding operation.


My family was cleaning out the old family plantation house and grounds after my grandparents died about 8 years ago and we found diaries and other family records that dated all the way back to Scotland in 1562. It was amazing that some of it survived that long and was still somewhat legible. When the importation of slaves was outlawed the number of whippings and deaths decreased and the number of births increased. In one of the diaries the my ancestor recalled an argument he had with another plantation owner about how my ancestor was saying that if you let the slaves marry and not sell their spouses down the river they were happier and reproduced more and were more profitable than if they were upset.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 1/4/14 at 3:22 pm to
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Since slavery is illegal almost everywhere, including the United States


The 13th amendment does have an exception, so given the right pre-conditiontions, it can still be legal.
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 1/4/14 at 3:25 pm to
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Brazil
Posted by Big Scrub TX
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Posted on 1/4/14 at 3:27 pm to
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(not just the wacist south).


Yes, but the wacist south had to fight a war against history to have non-slavery cast upon it. And the wacist south continued to be very wacist for at least another 100 years after civilized Americans condemned such actions.
Posted by Zach
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Posted on 1/4/14 at 3:32 pm to
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Russia they also had a system of voluntary slavery, where you sold yourself into slavery (full consent) and your family got the money.


American slaves sang the blues and gospel in the fields. Russian slaves sang this...

LINK
Posted by OLDBEACHCOMBER
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Posted on 1/4/14 at 3:35 pm to
Easier to name the developed countries that did not use slave labor.
Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 1/4/14 at 3:36 pm to
I don't understand a word, but it sure has a tone of despair.
This post was edited on 1/4/14 at 3:37 pm
Posted by northLAgoomba
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Posted on 1/4/14 at 7:17 pm to
Completely off topic, but the last country to officially outlaw slavery was the Middle-Eastern (Islamic) country of Oman in 1970.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
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Posted on 1/4/14 at 8:00 pm to
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And the wacist south continued to be very wacist for at least another 100 years after civilized Americans condemned such actions.


Boston busing riots. The idea that the south was any more or less racist is a fantasy. While Slavery died in the north long before it did in the south, the attitudes towards black Americans were very similar. To this day I think there's little difference between the regions.

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Here's an article from September.

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But many Black locals once dubbed Connecticut as 'the Mississippi of the North.'


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In addition, claims of job discrimination and racial bullying abound. The most prominent was of a Hartford Distributor employee Omar Thornton, who claimed racial harassment for years before he shot and killed several White co-workers in 2010 in a town that has been dubbed "Klanchester." Since the 1980s, the Ku Klux Klan has taken a firm root in Connecticut’s soil. And like Mississippi in the 20th century, the state just may be ground zero for the century's civil rights' efforts.



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In the four years I lived in Boston I discovered an undercurrent of racism that I never expected from a metropolitan city in the northern United States. And my experience is unfortunately not unique.


LINK

Having lived in New England off and on for a decade I think the accusations are reasonable. There are simply far fewer blacks in the region which masks the issue.
This post was edited on 1/4/14 at 8:26 pm
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