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what is the closest comparator nation to the United States, slavery-wise?
Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:16 pm
Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:16 pm
In terms of number of slaves, where they came from, when it was legal, how important slavery was to the economy, how they were treated, and any other factors you think worth discussing.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:18 pm to baybeefeetz
Most of the mega cities that have popped up in the Mid East the last decade or so have been built on slave labor. Dubai is a prime example.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:18 pm to baybeefeetz
You can start anywhere in the ancient world.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:23 pm to Gray Tiger
Since slavery is illegal almost everywhere, including the United States, I guess you could compare almost any country with us.
What relevance does slavery have in 2013 America?
What relevance does slavery have in 2013 America?
Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:25 pm to baybeefeetz
Very few in terms of numbers. But SPQR comes to mind.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:27 pm to KCT
you might be the worst new poster on the poli talk, congrats
Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:27 pm to Gray Tiger
You can look at nations in Africa where it is still true today.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:27 pm to lsutothetop
In a long history of dumbfricks
Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:30 pm to baybeefeetz
The entire British colonial empire in the Caribbean, until 1834.
However, there is no comparison. While slavery is wholly abhorrent, the US "version" was the most benign example of "modern" slavery. It was the only example where the slave population actually INCREASED by natural increase after importation was outlawed.
However, there is no comparison. While slavery is wholly abhorrent, the US "version" was the most benign example of "modern" slavery. It was the only example where the slave population actually INCREASED by natural increase after importation was outlawed.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:34 pm to baybeefeetz
Maybe Russia if you're counting serfs as slaves. Those were all native Russians, not Africans, but they were tied to the land and were dirt poor. Both countries ended their systems around the same time though I believe Russia was a few years earlier.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:35 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Maybe Russia if you're counting serfs as slaves. Those were all native Russians, not Africans, but they were tied to the land and were dirt poor. Both countries ended their systems around the same time though I believe Russia was a few years earlier
Peter Kolchin did a comparative history of this.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:36 pm to Brosef Stalin
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Russia
they also had a system of voluntary slavery, where you sold yourself into slavery (full consent) and your family got the money.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:49 pm to KCT
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Since slavery is illegal almost everywhere, including the United States, I guess you could compare almost any country with us.
What relevance does slavery have in 2013 America?
Reading is fundamental.
But in your case why bother.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 6:57 pm to baybeefeetz
South Africa...and obviously their post-slave era, especially in the modern era somewhat resembled the US South during the Civil Rights Movement.
Posted on 12/30/13 at 7:14 pm to baybeefeetz
I assume you are referring to the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade which lasted from roughly 1600-1800?
Going from memory, Portugal was the biggest importer of African slaves. Several other nations were wayyyyy ahead of America in terms of # of African slaves imported.
Present day America was wayyyy down there on the list as to number of African slaves.
The key word to focus on is 'TRADE'. It was a slave 'trade' rather than a slave raid.
The white Euros didn't dare go into the interior of Africa hunting 'slaves', they would have stuck out like sore tumbs and would have been slaughtered.
Enterprising African chieftains, mercenaries... traded with the slavers, often for beads, rum, dye's, silver & gold, guns and ammo....
Going from memory, Portugal was the biggest importer of African slaves. Several other nations were wayyyyy ahead of America in terms of # of African slaves imported.
Present day America was wayyyy down there on the list as to number of African slaves.
The key word to focus on is 'TRADE'. It was a slave 'trade' rather than a slave raid.
The white Euros didn't dare go into the interior of Africa hunting 'slaves', they would have stuck out like sore tumbs and would have been slaughtered.
Enterprising African chieftains, mercenaries... traded with the slavers, often for beads, rum, dye's, silver & gold, guns and ammo....
Posted on 12/30/13 at 7:41 pm to Reubaltaich
Yeah but Phil Robertson never saw any of that
Posted on 12/30/13 at 7:59 pm to baybeefeetz
So why isn't Brazil a superpower like the US? Is that where you're going with this?
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