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re: What is DeSantis' stance on the J6 prisoners, and has he offered any help?

Posted on 11/29/23 at 9:50 pm to
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 9:50 pm to
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No one will answer the original question I asked. I was a simple question that didn’t involve Trump at all.


The question was answered.

Now:

What can Ron Desantis legally do for federal defendants?

Just take the L.
Posted by Fun Bunch
New Orleans
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 9:51 pm to
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Trump had no idea if any of the J6ers at the time committed a federal crime to issue a pardon nor their names. This notion that Trump could have pardon no-named J6ers not charged with a crime with two weeks left in office like Ford pardoned Nixon is retarded.


None of this is relevant.

You don’t know what you’re talking about.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 9:53 pm to
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The question was answered.


No it wasnt. You just made excuses and blamed others

Its typical prog cult behavior
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 9:53 pm to
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typical prog cult behavior
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 9:53 pm to
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No one will answer the original question I asked. I was a simple question that didn’t involve Trump at all.


DeSantis has already said that he would have the cases looked into, and issue pardons where justified. Someone actually posted this early in the thread.

We’re all laughing because Trump has totally abandoned people who are being punished for their actions in support of him, and yet you’re demanding to know what RDS’ stance is.

Asking this question of RDS, while Trump is allowed to skate on it is funny. It would be hysterical if it weren’t for the poor people in jail
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 9:55 pm to
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DeSantis has already said that he would have the cases looked into, and issue pardons where justified.


One can make a shite ton of promises when they have no chance of following through...
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 9:56 pm to
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You then ignore Trump’s ability to pardon them. He didn’t need a crystal ball to know people would be charged for that. It was obvious. If he didn’t know, then he is too incompetent to take seriously. I don’t believe that about him. I believe he made a political calculation to not do it as it would hurt him. That’s fine. That’s his right. Just don’t act like he didn’t know.


Let’s make the assumption you are correct ...do you believe ALL J6ers should be pardoned or do you think the situation calls for a little more granularity than Carter pardoning all draft dodgers?
This post was edited on 11/29/23 at 10:00 pm
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 9:57 pm to
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One can make a shite ton of promises when they have no chance of following through...


That’s the answer to the OP, I don’t know what else you want. Since he’s not the president, there’s nothing he can do about it now, whereas Trump had the ability to pardon those folks, and he didn’t.

But sure, Trump’s screw ups are Ron’s responsibility.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 11/29/23 at 9:59 pm to
Is this a prelude to a Desantis presidency. Just placing blame on others and never taking responsibilty

Along with promises made promises broken
Posted by redandright
Member since Jun 2011
9794 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 10:01 pm to
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this a prelude to a Desantis presidency. Just placing blame on others and never taking responsibilty

Along with promises made promises broken


Sure, you spin it how ever you’d like. It’s a Trump screw up, and nothing’s ever going to change that, but knock yourself out.
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
140573 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 10:03 pm to
The thing is J6 is not a one size fits all situation. 90% of the people listened to Trump and protested and went home peacefully. Some acted like jackasses and committed crimes. Some were provoked by feds. Some were feds.
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
98042 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 10:03 pm to
You would think the most powerful conservative Gov would do something or anytbing at all

Yet nothing. But missles to Isreal for sure

Excuses from the cult will be endless
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 11/29/23 at 10:10 pm to
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That’s the answer to the OP, I don’t know what else you want. Since he’s not the president


He sent weapons to Israel and the main thing bots claim is his foreign policy and success. I’m not saying its his job but its a counter to that claim.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23008 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 4:28 pm to
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Again, save who from what? Trump had no idea if any of the J6ers at the time committed a federal crime to issue a pardon nor their names.

I, Donald Trump, do hereby pardon anyone who entered the Capitol building, or surrounding grounds, on January 6th and did not commit acts of physical violence against Capitol Police, Us Representatives, or US citizens.

There you go. Then those who actually committed violence (very, very few) could be prosecuted while grandmas and others who merely entered couldn’t be. And if they were charged then it would have to be proved those charged committed physical violence.

ETA: to be more precise he could cite the actual US code and C.F.R to say anyone in the capitol or surrounding grounds who violated those specific laws were pardoned. Would it be challenged? Probably but the only check on the pardon power is in relation to impeachment. It’s the most powerful enumerated power in the Constitution.
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 4:32 pm
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36755 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 4:33 pm to
So then I guess the creative minds on the investigation and prosecution side might just fudge a couple things here and there to make a case for a violent crime, amirite? Perhaps add some “small” aspect of “violence” that kicks it to a level not covered by this theoretical blanket pardon. I think some people are so intent on slamming Trump that they become blind to obvious kinks in their narrative.
Posted by MFn GIMP
Member since Feb 2011
23008 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:14 pm to
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So then I guess the creative minds on the investigation and prosecution side might just fudge a couple things here and there to make a case for a violent crime, amirite? Perhaps add some “small” aspect of “violence” that kicks it to a level not covered by this theoretical blanket pardon. I think some people are so intent on slamming Trump that they become blind to obvious kinks in their narrative.

Do they not have to prove that in a court of law?
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
36755 posts
Posted on 11/30/23 at 6:18 pm to
Sure they do. But only after a couple few years of harassment and financial ruin rained down upon the poor person. A person who didn’t quite make the “blanket pardon” description because of the government blatantly overcharged with some fictitious claim of a crime of violence.

**And after those couple years of ruin, I can see the government bandits simply saying “oh yeah, sorry about that, we actually are dismissing the charges,” after the intended damage has been done.
This post was edited on 11/30/23 at 6:21 pm
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