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re: What is CISA And Why Should We Care?
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:54 am to JJJimmyJimJames
Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:54 am to JJJimmyJimJames
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JJJimmyJimJames
Whatever your opinion of Putin’s invasion of the Ukraine or your level of support for continuing to prop up the Zelensky regime, only a Statist tool would claim that the 2014 CIA sponsored coup in the Ukraine — which sparked a bitter civil war in the eastern portion of the nation — is “irrelevant” to the current crisis.
This is the sign of a mind wholly conditioned to think of the world only in 24 hour news cycles and/or the next election cycle.
Based on the the disastrous history of U.S. interventionism around the globe since the end of WWII, it demonstrates a total lack of a historical imagination.
Worse, it also exhibits a willful disinterest in CIA efforts to sow instability in the region vis-à-vis color revolutions in the post-Soviet era:
A shadow foreign policy apparatus built by Ronald Reagan for the Cold War survives to this day as a slush fund that keeps American neocons well fed and still destabilizes target nations, now including Ukraine, creating a crisis that undercuts President Obama….
And heightening the absurdity here, SFP genuinely believes the vast majority of posters on this forum are brainwashed ignoramuses who are incapable of thinking rationally.
This post was edited on 12/30/22 at 7:58 am
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Posted on 12/30/22 at 7:56 am to Toomer Deplorable
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only a Statist tool would claim that the 2014 CIA sponsored coup in the Ukraine — which sparked a bitter civil war in the eastern portion of the nation — is “irrelevant” to the current crisis.
Yep, its the central theme.
Warmongers are nothing but cheerleaders, they don't think.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:12 am to frogtown
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You won't be popular here. CISA 2018 was signed into law by Trump.
That means nothing. It just wound up populated with scumbags like members of different intelligence agencies who worked overtime trying to subvert his Presidency.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:16 am to JJJimmyJimJames
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Nuland and the CIA didnt go anywhere after the first puppet left. Childish avoidance technique.
They were still there running that country, inextricably.
Do you have any legitimate evidence of this claim?
I can just as easily say "nuh uh" and have as quality of a statement, if we're not using legitimate evidence to support our claims.
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" to fully understand that Putin was coerced by the same CIA/Nuland activities that have been taking place NONSTOP since the American coup
Coerced, how? The CIA made Putin install a puppet to thwart integration between the EU and Ukraine? Explain.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:17 am to Toomer Deplorable
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the 2014 CIA sponsored coup in the Ukraine — which sparked a bitter civil war in the eastern portion of the nation — is “irrelevant” to the current crisis.
You have this backwards.
Russia's puppet pulling out of the EU deal at the 11th hour led to mass civil unrest.
The CIA used to this to their advantage when the Russian puppet left the mess he created (on behalf of Putin).
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And heightening the absurdity here, SFP genuinely believes the vast majority of posters on this forum are brainwashed ignoramuses who are incapable of thinking rationally.
You post others' thoughts and think you're a free thinker.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:17 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Warmongers are nothing but cheerleaders, they don't think.
The only Warmonger in the Russian invasion is Putin, and those who support him
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:18 am to riverdiver
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That means nothing. It just wound up populated with scumbags like members of different intelligence agencies who worked overtime trying to subvert his Presidency.
It means something.
It means Trump is either down with the surveillance state, or he's retarded enough to not understand when he's expanding it.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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So what behavior is specifically violating the wording of the 2018 law?
Can you cite the behaviors and applicable language?
Still waiting on the "free thinker" to answer these simple questions.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:32 am to Toomer Deplorable
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You didn’t even bother to read the bill before you posted your response did you?
I didn't read the bill because I'm not making any claims about the bill. You are. And you refuse to cite anything of note to substantiate your claims.
I haven't made any claims, so what am I substantiating, exactly?
Logic isn't your strong suit, as usual.
Also, reading isn't. From your link:
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Further: “This guidance is not binding and is primarily a decision support construct to assist state and local officials. It should not be confused as official executive action by the United States Government.”
Also, as usual, you're an idiot who trusts his sources without looking at the law itself:
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(c) Responsibilities <> .--The Director
shall--
``(1) lead cybersecurity and critical infrastructure
security programs, operations, and associated policy for the
Agency, including national cybersecurity asset response
activities;
``(2) coordinate with Federal entities, including Sector-
Specific Agencies, and non-Federal entities, including
international entities, to carry out the cybersecurity and
critical infrastructure activities of the Agency, as
appropriate;
``(3) carry out the responsibilities of the Secretary to
secure Federal information and information systems consistent
with law, including subchapter II of chapter 35 of title 44,
United States Code, and the Cybersecurity Act of 2015
The law clearly not only authorizes, but compels, the agency to assess critical infrastructure security. It's not just for cyber security.
What is critical infrastructure? Let's find out!
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(3) Critical infrastructure information
The term "critical infrastructure information" means information not customarily in the public domain and related to the security of critical infrastructure or protected systems—
(A) actual, potential, or threatened interference with, attack on, compromise of, or incapacitation of critical infrastructure or protected systems by either physical or computer-based attack or other similar conduct (including the misuse of or unauthorized access to all types of communications and data transmission systems) that violates Federal, State, or local law, harms interstate commerce of the United States, or threatens public health or safety;
(B) the ability of any critical infrastructure or protected system to resist such interference, compromise, or incapacitation, including any planned or past assessment, projection, or estimate of the vulnerability of critical infrastructure or a protected system, including security testing, risk evaluation thereto, risk management planning, or risk audit; or
(C) any planned or past operational problem or solution regarding critical infrastructure or protected systems, including repair, recovery, reconstruction, insurance, or continuity, to the extent it is related to such interference, compromise, or incapacitation.
So what is the problem? They gave guidance they were specifically mandated to do.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:38 am to Toomer Deplorable
Also, you fricking genius, you could have just looked at the title of the law:
Once again you have proven that you can do nothing more than post links written by morons who can't read, and can't do anything else but deflect when you were asked simple questions about the moronic articles you post.
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Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency
Once again you have proven that you can do nothing more than post links written by morons who can't read, and can't do anything else but deflect when you were asked simple questions about the moronic articles you post.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:43 am to frogtown
Trump had uniparty advisors.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:44 am to SlowFlowPro
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You post others' thoughts
Holy sh*+! That is rich coming from you. From the COVID-1984 pandemic to the war in Eastern Europe, you reliably have parroted regime-approved narratives on this forum.
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and think you're a free thinker.
“Free Thinker. Derp.”
Back to that devastating rebuttal. I bet you have a “singular definition” for that term.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:46 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Trump had uniparty advisors.
Any vote in this UniParty® charade is a vote for the left or right wing of the Deep State. It is what it is.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:47 am to Eli Goldfinger
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Trump had uniparty advisors.
He should have known better.
In the end, this is an expansion of government. He is/was not there to expand government. It came back to bite him.
Rand Paul would have never signed 2018 CISA. He knew better. Trump apparently didn't.
This post was edited on 12/30/22 at 9:49 am
Posted on 12/30/22 at 9:58 am to David_DJS
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It means something. It means Trump is either down with the surveillance state, or he's retarded enough to not understand when he's expanding it.
Do you think Trump had any inkling the FBI and CIA were going to actively try a coup to disrupt his Presidency?
You think most people believed the FBI and CIA would illegally intervene with Twitter and the MSM to prevent his re election?
You think JFK and the American people believed the CIA was behind his assassination?
There’s nothing inherently wrong with expanding cybersecurity. But it’s like anything else, Government agencies in the wrong hands can truly run amuck.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 10:04 am to riverdiver
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Do you think Trump had any inkling the FBI and CIA were going to actively try a coup to disrupt his Presidency?
He was warned about it. He even talked about it. So, yeah.
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You think most people believed the FBI and CIA would illegally intervene with Twitter and the MSM to prevent his re election?
Most people are stupid. Smart/aware people would believe they'd do this. Of course.
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You think JFK and the American people believed the CIA was behind his assassination?
I don't think JFK had any beliefs after he was assassinated.
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There’s nothing inherently wrong with expanding cybersecurity. But it’s like anything else, Government agencies in the wrong hands can truly run amuck.
You just contradicted everything else in your post.
Posted on 12/30/22 at 10:08 am to Toomer Deplorable
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! That is rich coming from you. From the COVID-1984 pandemic to the war in Eastern Europe, you reliably have parroted regime-approved narratives on this forum.
Show me all the mainstream outlets explaining the EU was the central conflict between Russia and Ukraine.
As for Covid, I literally made this picture myself in April or May of 2020:
What original thoughts did you have?
Posted on 12/30/22 at 10:08 am to riverdiver
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Do you think Trump had any inkling the FBI and CIA were going to actively try a coup to disrupt his Presidency?
Do you mean in 2017 or 2020?
Posted on 12/30/22 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency
Do you actually think simply highlighting the word “Infrastructure” in bold demonstrates that this bill granted CISA — an agency ostensibly created to protect cybersecurity — the authority to lock down major sectors of the economy in the event of a pandemic? You are genuinely incapable of formulating a meaningful rebuttal here.
What type of lawyer are you? You must be a slip & fall attorney who simply makes settlements on nuisance lawsuits. If not, I’m genuinely embarrassed for the legal profession.
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Once again you have proven that you can do nothing more than post links written by morons who can't read, and can't do anything else but deflect when you were asked simple questions about the moronic articles you post.
I posted a link to the original bill which created CISA. There is nothing in the bill that remotely comes close to granting CISA the power it has acquired.
Maybe I have been too too harsh on you by accusing you of being disingenuous. It appears you are just a genuine Grade-A idiot.
I’ll let you have the last word as we both are repeating ourselves here — you mainly by replying “Free Thinker! Derp.” But please, PLEASE respond so this thread will be bumped and the board can witness your dumbassery once again in live & living color!
Posted on 12/30/22 at 11:30 am to Toomer Deplorable
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Do you actually think simply highlighting the word “Infrastructure” in bold demonstrates that this bill granted CISA — an agency ostensibly created to protect cybersecurity — the authority to lock down major sectors of the economy in the event of a pandemic?
Where did I say that they had that authority? They don't.
Tell me where they exercised that authority.
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What type of lawyer are you?
One who can read. A skill you apparently lack.
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There is nothing in the bill that remotely comes close to granting CISA the power it has acquired.
What specific powers are you referencing?
All CISA did was issue recommendations. It didn't order anything.
I already quoted this, but I'll quote it again:
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Further: “This guidance is not binding and is primarily a decision support construct to assist state and local officials. It should not be confused as official executive action by the United States Government.”
Do I need to break it down even more simply for you to finally comprehend this basic concept?
This post was edited on 12/30/22 at 11:31 am
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