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What does it mean to "overthrow the government"?

Posted on 9/11/20 at 7:49 pm
Posted by baybeefeetz
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Posted on 9/11/20 at 7:49 pm
Is framing the president for a crime "overthrowing the government"?

In terms of the law.
Posted by JawjaTigah
On the Bandwagon
Member since Sep 2003
22731 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 8:11 pm to
quote:

Is framing the president for a crime "overthrowing the government"?

In terms of the law.
Let’s pretend you are really this dumb... oh, wait!
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
32254 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 11:45 am to
Answer the question if you can. It seems like overthrowing the government requires more than tricking people into thinking they should get a new president.
Posted by TigerProwl24
Gulf Coast
Member since May 2015
4086 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 11:58 am to
Although I don’t really understand your question or what you’re getting at.. the President was elected by the people, so at the very least, it’s undermining the will of the American people.

I think you might need to reframe your question because it doesn’t make any sense.
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
32254 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 2:09 pm to
Question makes perfect sense. People on this board say that certain people are guilty of treason for plotting to overthrow the government. There is a statute on treason. Talks about overthrowing the government. I'm asking if people here really understanding the legal definition of trying to overthrow the government. Question was fine.
This post was edited on 9/13/20 at 7:43 pm
Posted by TigerProwl24
Gulf Coast
Member since May 2015
4086 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 2:14 pm to
quote:

Question makes perfect sense


Only to you. Proven by the amount of responses you received.
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
32254 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 7:43 pm to
Yeah that proves everything. Do you think what they did to Trump about Russia and FISA and all constitutes trying to overthrow the government?
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 7:48 pm to
The founders knew the desire for continued revolution and change would persevere, which is why they designed a “controlled” revolution every 4 years. The peaceful transition of power is what makes our country unique. It is somewhat of a “peaceful, lawful overthrow”.

Trying to circumvent that natural process by making shite up essentially is a coup. You can’t fricking wait for the next scheduled “coup”, you want your own. This is treason.

Probably not the legal explanation you’re looking for but that’s the practical one.
Posted by Erin Go Bragh
Beyond the Pale
Member since Dec 2007
14916 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 7:53 pm to
The method used to remove a lawfully elected president is not the issue.

It's the attempt that matters.
Posted by Madking
Member since Apr 2016
58696 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 7:55 pm to
Yes and despite your lies your party has repeatedly called for overthrowing the founding principals of the United States.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
21057 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 8:01 pm to
quote:

Do you think what they did to Trump about Russia and FISA and all constitutes trying to overthrow the government?


A sitting president weaponizing the federal government and intelligence agencies against opposing political parties, private citizens, And opposing candidates in an effort to subvert the free election process is treason and everyone involved should be tried in a court of law. What Obama’s agencies did to the tea party and then trump is disgustingly absurd And the fact that it went unpunished is a blemish on America.

I don’t know if what the media is doing in general is treason but it’s definitely not right.

Same goes for Brazille and cnn during the Clinton/Trump debates.

Facebook and Twitter should absolutely lose all of their platform vs publisher protection but I don’t even know where the line is anymore based on current society.
Posted by keks tadpole
Yellow Leaf Creek
Member since Feb 2017
8165 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 8:03 pm to
Would a branch of government using unscrupulous information or methods to circumvent the checks and balances of law as defined I the Constitution be considered "overthrowing the government"?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60562 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 8:08 pm to
quote:

Is framing the president for a crime "overthrowing the government"?
Do you believe in the legitimacy of elections?

quote:

In terms of the law.
Aren't you an attorney?
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
60562 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 8:10 pm to
quote:

Answer the question if you can. It seems like overthrowing the government requires more than tricking people into thinking they should get a new president.

Then you tell us? Out of three branches how many does one have to illegitimately remove to be considered an "overthrow"?
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
32254 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 8:44 pm to
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despite your lies your party


Nah, not me. I'm an originalist and conservative. And I really hope all the Comeys and the Brennans and Stzroks get in trouble. I just think overthrowing the government is more like abolishing congress, because I'm not a fricking moron.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14270 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 8:53 pm to
quote:

Nah, not me. I'm an originalist and conservative. And I really hope all the Comeys and the Brennans and Stzroks get in trouble. I just think overthrowing the government is more like abolishing congress, because I'm not a fricking moron.


You’re a fricking moron because you don’t recognize that there are three branches of government, judicial, legislative, and executive. When you attempt a coup against the executive branch, violating not only the Constitution but established law all along the way, you are most certainly trying to overthrow the government. I would be perfectly fine with all the actors being brought up on sedition charges.
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
32254 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 9:00 pm to
quote:

a coup
the word has an actual meaning. You know what it is? Try a dictionary.

It was a frame up Of the president. It was bad. It was a political crime.

It wasn't treason.
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14270 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 9:07 pm to
quote:

the word has an actual meaning. You know what it is? Try a dictionary.


Maybe you need one. A coup doesn’t have to be violent. The attempted removal of a freely and fairly elected president by illegal, unconstitutional, and fraudulent means, is by definition a coup attempt, and treason.
Posted by baybeefeetz
Member since Sep 2009
32254 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 9:18 pm to
There would still be a president and the entire governmental system would be intact. One person would be displaced, and those who caused him to be displaced would not have seized power.

I'm talking to a bunch of dumbasses.

Good night!
Posted by troyt37
Member since Mar 2008
14270 posts
Posted on 9/13/20 at 9:26 pm to
quote:

There would still be a president and the entire governmental system would be intact. One person would be displaced, and those who caused him to be displaced would not have seized power.

I'm talking to a bunch of dumbasses.

Good night!


And if you can manufacture an illegal and unconstitutional coup against the president, what’s to stop you from doing it against the VP?
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