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re: What do you think it means to believe in science?

Posted on 2/1/17 at 1:21 pm to
Posted by skrayper
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 1:21 pm to
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This bull shite tangent you have gone on does not negate my point which is there are several people in the past who were told, "You are fricking nuts!" for what they believed whose belief turned out to be correct.


Slow down. I'm referencing that Columbus was a poor example for your point. He wasn't in the minority for saying the Earth was round (because everyone basically knew it), but rather because he thought the Earth was smaller than everyone else said it was (and they were right, and he was wrong).

Columbus wasn't "right" when he discovered North America - he was just really, REALLY bloody lucky it was there to begin with. He'd have died long before he got to Asia if the good ol' North America hadn't gotten in his way.

Yes, history is filled with people that have had amazing ideas that people were busy thinking they were insane to notice. Less so these days, but it still happens.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 1:38 pm to
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Slow down. I'm referencing that Columbus was a poor example for your point. He wasn't in the minority for saying the Earth was round (because everyone basically knew it), but rather because he thought the Earth was smaller than everyone else said it was (and they were right, and he was wrong).

Columbus wasn't "right" when he discovered North America - he was just really, REALLY bloody lucky it was there to begin with. He'd have died long before he got to Asia if the good ol' North America hadn't gotten in his way.

Yes, history is filled with people that have had amazing ideas that people were busy thinking they were insane to notice. Less so these days, but it still happens.


Okay, let's remove Columbus from the point I was making.

My point is still correct even when I use only Copernicus as an example of someone who was told "You are fricking nuts!" because of their belief whose belief turned out to be correct.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 1:54 pm to
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But people will believe fricking anything. Some people hear voices in their head to kill their families. Others believe giant breathing sea serpents exist, but that doesn't mean its mainstream belief or true at all.


I don't care about mentally ill people who hear voices or have hallucinations.

My brother and I as well as some of the eyewitnesses I had the opportunity to interview regarding their sighting are not mentally ill and know what they saw was a large unknown serpentine marine animal which is commonly called a sea serpent.

Have you bothered to interview Marlene Martin and Tom D'Onofrio about their sightings like my brother and I have?

In my brother's and my case, we have video evidence which supports our assertion that we know we saw a sea serpent.

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I doubt there was a single sentence uttered by anyone in the 1490s (non-sarcastically) from anyone involved in Columbus' journey that he'd fall off the Earth.


I've agreed to take Columbus off the list of names regarding the point I was making but my point is still correct.

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And keep upvoting your own posts by the way. It's obvious to everyone.


Your belief that I upvote my own posts is based on no evidence whatsoever.

Prove that I upvote my own posts.
This post was edited on 2/1/17 at 2:03 pm
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 4:21 pm to
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You seem to be under the mis-impression that I care what you think about Dr. Heuvelmans' credibility.


Yet here we are.

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What degrees do you have in the field of science?

doctorate in zoology from the Free University of Brussels





I have zero zoology degrees from defunct universities.
Posted by OMLandshark
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 4:22 pm to
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Prove that I upvote my own posts.



OK, upvote this post within the next 2 hours to prove it:

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This bullshite tangent you have gone on does not negate my point which is there are several people in the past who were told, "You are fricking nuts!" for what they believed whose belief turned out to be correct.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 4:24 pm to
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FWIW, I'd guess beejon is the guy you're thinking of


DawgfaninCa is beejon. beejon is DawgfaninCa.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
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Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 4:41 pm to
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FWIW, I'd guess beejon is the guy you're thinking of


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DawgfaninCa is beejon. beejon is DawgfaninCa.


You know I'm not beejon but I know DisplacedBuckeye is DisplacedBrain.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
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Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 4:46 pm to
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Prove that I upvote my own posts.


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OK, upvote this post within the next 2 hours to prove it:


Meh, that's the only way you will ever get an upvote for any of your posts.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 4:50 pm to
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You seem to be under the mis-impression that I care what you think about Dr. Heuvelmans' credibility.


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Yet here we are.


That's because you troll me not because I troll you.

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What degrees do you have in the field of science?

doctorate in zoology from the Free University of Brussels


What science degree do you have from any university?
Posted by OMLandshark
Member since Apr 2009
119977 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 4:58 pm to
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Meh, that's the only way you will ever get an upvote for any of your posts.



Thanks for playing and proving you're the only one who likes your own posts.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 5:11 pm to
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Thanks for playing and proving you're the only one who likes your own posts.


Wah, OMLandshark says nobody likes my posts. I guess that means I should stop posting and go away.
Posted by mofungoo
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Posted on 2/1/17 at 5:28 pm to
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even science at some point, requires a leap of faith


Only if one does not know anything about the Scientific Method, or is weak in factual information.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 6:20 pm to
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What science degree do you have from any university?


That's none of your concern. I have zero zoology degrees from defunct universities.
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 6:37 pm to
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What science degree do you have from any university?


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That's none of your concern.


It is my concern when you trash the education credentials of Dr. Heuvelmans who can't defend himself because he is dead.

Be that as it may, I'll interpret your response to mean you don't have a science degree from any university.

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I have zero zoology degrees from defunct universities.


Dr. Heuvelmans earned his doctorate in zoology from the Free University of Brussels which is not a defunct university.

The Free University of Brussels has just been split into the Université Libre de Bruxelles and the Vrije Universiteit Brussel.

LINK
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 6:52 pm to
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It is my concern when you trash the education credentials of Dr. Heuvelmans who can't defend himself because he is dead.


Not even slightly, regardless of his credentials.

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Be that as it may, I'll interpret your response to mean you don't have a science degree from any university.


Interpret away.

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Dr. Heuvelmans earned his doctorate in zoology from the Free University of Brussels which is not a defunct university.


Where is the Free University of Brussels located?
Posted by DawgfaninCa
San Francisco, California
Member since Sep 2012
20092 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 7:26 pm to
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It is my concern when you trash the education credentials of Dr. Heuvelmans who can't defend himself because he is dead.


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Not even slightly, regardless of his credentials.


Saying Dr. Heuvelmans got his doctorate from a now defunct university implies the university was so lousy it went out of business and Dr. Heuvelmans' degree is not worth the paper it was printed on.

It's the same as saying because Trump University is defunct it's proof that it was a lousy university and any degree from Trump University is not worth the paper it was printed on.

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Be that as it may, I'll interpret your response to mean you don't have a science degree from any university.


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Interpret away.


It's the proper inference that can be drawn from the implication of your statement.

Otherwise, there is be no logical reason why you wouldn't state what science degree you have.

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Dr. Heuvelmans earned his doctorate in zoology from the Free University of Brussels which is not a defunct university.


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Where is the Free University of Brussels located?


Since the Free University of Brussels has been split into the Université Libre de Bruxelles and the Vrije Universiteit Brussel, portions of the Free University of Brussels are now functioning at those two universities.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
76732 posts
Posted on 2/1/17 at 8:00 pm to
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Saying Dr. Heuvelmans got his doctorate from a now defunct university implies the university was so lousy it went out of business and Dr. Heuvelmans' degree is not worth the paper it was printed on.


No, it isn't. It's saying he got a degree from a defunct university.

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It's the same


Nope.

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It's the proper inference that can be drawn from the implication of your statement.


Infer as you like.

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Otherwise, there is be no logical reason why you wouldn't state what science degree you have.


It has zero relevance to my statement.

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Since the Free University of Brussels has been split


So...defunct.
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