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re: What did Jefferson mean by "all men are created equal"?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:48 am to RCDfan1950
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:48 am to RCDfan1950
I've posted this less than 50 times, so here's one more shot.
If Jefferson's slaves had been armed, they would have been a hellava lot more equal.
quote:
...gives the most common man the most uncommon of freedoms...
If Jefferson's slaves had been armed, they would have been a hellava lot more equal.
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Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:48 am to Antonio Moss
quote:Sad when you think of what Obama is able to do with his pen and his phone.
Adams told members of the colonial press that humanity now had "a government of laws, and not of men."
Posted on 2/13/14 at 10:52 am to LSUnKaty
It's also sad when you think about Adams signing the Alien & Sedition Acts into law.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:00 am to kingbob
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He was always very conflicted about slavery. It clashed with his ideals that all men were created equal, yet he relied on slaves for his fortune.
"All men are created equal" has nothing to do with slavery.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:26 am to fouldeliverer
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Yet when he wrote that "all men are created equal" he meant it, just not in the way most modern readers would interpret it
How do you define equality?
Posted on 2/13/14 at 11:47 am to RogerTheShrubber
It completely depends on the context.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 4:24 pm to fouldeliverer
I always interpreted that phrase to mean we all start with a blank slate at birth but after that it depends on what someone does with their life that determines whether one person is equal to another person.
For example, Albert Einstein and Jeffrey Dahmer were both created equal but what they did during their lifetimes makes Einstein a better person than Dahmer.
For example, Albert Einstein and Jeffrey Dahmer were both created equal but what they did during their lifetimes makes Einstein a better person than Dahmer.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 6:19 pm to Antonio Moss
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Actually, it's even more narrow than that. Jefferson was alluding to hereditary/divine rule due to his opposition to absolute monarchies. "All men are created equal" means that no person has the inherit right to rule over others.
This. I have no idea where the OP got God out of that quote.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 6:47 pm to fouldeliverer
All men are most clearly not created equal. They in theory are all born as equal under the law in THIS country but even that is only in theory.
The fact is that life, the universe, whatever isnt fair. A child born to a mother with AIDS in subsaharan Africa is simply not "created" equal to a child born to wealthy first world parents.
The fact is that life, the universe, whatever isnt fair. A child born to a mother with AIDS in subsaharan Africa is simply not "created" equal to a child born to wealthy first world parents.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 6:50 pm to fouldeliverer
I know Marx used the term equality not in the sense that everyone be treated equal, but everyone have equal opportunity to be their unique self.
I imagine Jefferson meant it in a similar way.
I imagine Jefferson meant it in a similar way.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 6:51 pm to Patrick O Rly
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The only way it could really make sense is that all men stand equally under judgement of God.
This makes no sense
Only the most cruel, sadistic idea of God imaginable would place a severely autistic child under equal scrutiny as a person born will all their faculties fully intact.
In see no scenario in which, God or no God, all men are born equal.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 7:15 pm to Roger Klarvin
I think he probably meant "All men are created equal but don't be dumbshits and let women vote or you will get shitheads like clinton and obama as president."
Posted on 2/13/14 at 7:16 pm to fouldeliverer
He meant we are all equal and everything should be divided equally. Land, money, women, bourbon and food.
Posted on 2/13/14 at 8:48 pm to fouldeliverer
If you understand that the Declaration of Independence was written for the King of England and that there was a fair chance the whole enterprise was likely to fail, as opposed to a political treatise that would receive sacred reverence, then your "riddle" is most likely solved. He could have probably written free men or something slightly different but I think King George got the point. Remember it is the Declaration of Independence not the Declaration of Equality.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 3:09 am to fouldeliverer
They didn't have a gay movement then and the word corn holed had ye to be invented so Jefferson had to improvise. Today the quote would be
"All me are cornholed equally"
Welcome to 2014
"All me are cornholed equally"
Welcome to 2014
Posted on 2/14/14 at 7:44 am to fouldeliverer
Jefferson was forced to remove his anti-slavery comments.
The only change has been dumb conservatives thinking that liberals mean equal means equal outcomes.
The only change has been dumb conservatives thinking that liberals mean equal means equal outcomes.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 7:45 am to T1
quote:case in point
Actually, they are pushing for equal results now.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 7:45 am to goldennugget
quote:dumb conservative #2
goldennugget
Posted on 2/14/14 at 7:53 am to Roger Klarvin
quote:
The only way it could really make sense is that all men stand equally under judgement of God.
This makes no sense
Only the most cruel, sadistic idea of God imaginable would place a severely autistic child under equal scrutiny as a person born will all their faculties fully intact.
In see no scenario in which, God or no God, all men are born equal.
That doesn't surprise me. Many people don't know/can't grasp what real freedom is either.
Posted on 2/14/14 at 7:58 am to Tigah in the ATL
quote:Can you square that dismissal with Democrats' war on wealth, and breathless efforts targeting egality goals.
liberals mean equal means equal outcomes.
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