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re: West continues to inflame Russia situation
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:36 am to sawtooth
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:36 am to sawtooth
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Public: Frick Russia. Make them pay!
Also Public: Why are my gas prices up. Evil oil companies! Why is inflation so bad?
Our gas prices shouldn't have a thing to do with Russia. There's no hypocrisy in saying frick Russia, and why are my gas prices up. Marxist democrats are the reason we aren't energy independent.
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Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:38 am to SlowFlowPro
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has a shitty economy
50 million a day from the U.S. says otherwise.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:39 am to troyt37
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Marxist democrats are the reason we aren't energy independent.
Yeah, the people promoting alternative energy, which is is entirely domestic lol
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:41 am to troyt37
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This post was edited on 3/2/22 at 10:43 am
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:43 am to TBoy
Low Tboy, it's literally NATO vs Russia. When you keep making NATO bigger, why wouldn't Russia retaliate? I'm sure Kamala can explain it to you if you can't understand.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:46 am to RuLSU
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What annoys me more than anything: Putin approached NATO to join in 1999 and we snubbed him.
The US "braintrust" viewed a multipolar NATO as less desirable than ending any threat of Russian aggression. Because why take 'some' when you can push to take 'all'?
How exactly does NATO membership for Russia end any threat of Russian aggression? NATO was formed to thwart Russian aggression, how does giving them a seat at the table further that mission? Do you think Russia would have welcomed the US as a member of the Warsaw Pact? If not, why?
Look at the UN. We fund the lion's share of everything the UN does, but since we just let everyone, including sworn enemies in, they can just cancel our vote any time they like. Do you really want Russia to be able to decide whether a country can join NATO or not?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:49 am to Fells
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Yeah, the people promoting alternative energy, which is is entirely domestic lol
Are you forgetting that alternative energy is not even remotely viable? Or do you just want to bullshite your way through that. If alternative energy was in any fashion economically viable, it wouldn't be alternative, would it?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:51 am to jp4lsu
Any reasonable person knows that there is no chance anyone wants to invade Russia.
Any reasonable person knows that there is a very small chance one day that Russia would invade someone else.
countries and organizations like NATO and the EU should not make their decisions based on whether it will upset Russia. If Putin is upset that people are banding together against him, tough crap.
Maybe the EU / NATO should / could do more to spell out that they have no desire to take anything from Russia.
Any reasonable person knows that there is a very small chance one day that Russia would invade someone else.
countries and organizations like NATO and the EU should not make their decisions based on whether it will upset Russia. If Putin is upset that people are banding together against him, tough crap.
Maybe the EU / NATO should / could do more to spell out that they have no desire to take anything from Russia.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:53 am to troyt37
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Also Public: Why are my gas prices up. Evil oil companies! Why is inflation so bad?
I've seen almost no one say this.
The right knows oil prices are up because Dummy Biden is giving away our oil independence.
The left is ecstatic that oil prices are up.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:55 am to jp4lsu
Ukraine is the “head of the snake” for the Cabal and the NWO. This is why Putin went in. Once the corrupt leaders are disposed of, the rest of the Cabal will fall in short order.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 10:59 am to troyt37
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If alternative energy was in any fashion economically viable, it wouldn't be alternative, would it?
A) as investment grows, it becomes cheaper
B) just because it's not the primary doesn't mean that we shouldn't supplement our energy needs with its use, especially if domestic energy is a priority.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 11:01 am to Auburn1968
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Putin could have gotten away with absorbing the Russian areas, but Ukrainians have a very long and bitter history with Russia.
I bet that is probably the end game....Ukraine east of the Dnieper goes to Ivan
Posted on 3/2/22 at 11:04 am to jp4lsu
quote:I know the history. Those promises were made to Russia when Russia hadn't yet morphed into the current authoritarian expansionist parody of the Soviet Union with a president for life that it currently is. So all these border countries were expected not to notice what was happening in Russia and just patiently wait for them to get around to gobbling them back up into another Soviet Union. They are sovereign countries and can choose to align themselves with whatever other countries they think are in their best interest, Russia doesn't get to decide that. What treaty was that promise enshrined in?
Some of you need to look at history.
The US agreed to not expand NATO east. NATO expanded to Russia's borders.
The US/EU had a coup in Ukraine to throw out a pro-Russian govt and put in their guy and made seem like it was an "orange revolution". This is why Russia annexed Crimea (which is pro Russian) because that is where their Black Sea fleet is based.
So if you can't see how any of this has inflamed a delicate situation, I can't help you.
As for the Ukraine government change in 14, so you're position is it was cool for Russia to have installed a puppet government on the border of NATO countries, but it's not cool when it goes the other way. You seem to think of these places as belonging to Russia.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 11:19 am to Fells
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A) as investment grows, it becomes cheaper
You mean as taxpayer dollars are pumped into alternative energy companies, to the tune of billions if not trillions of dollars, right? Because if alternative energy was a viable, profitable venture, taxpayer dollars wouldn't have to prop up these companies.
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B) just because it's not the primary doesn't mean that we shouldn't supplement our energy needs with its use, especially if domestic energy is a priority.
Supplement away. As long as you aren't robbing the taxpayer to make it so. Which isn't, and hasn't yet to be the case.
This post was edited on 3/2/22 at 11:20 am
Posted on 3/2/22 at 11:20 am to chrome_daddy
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Why do you care about Russia? Frick them.
Nukes. As long as they have them, you better care.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 11:55 am to troyt37
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Because if alternative energy was a viable, profitable venture, taxpayer dollars wouldn't have to prop up these companies.
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As long as you aren't robbing the taxpayer to make it so. Which isn't, and hasn't yet to be the case.
Oh you sweet summer child, you aren't aware of how much we subsidize non-alternative energy?
https://www.imf.org/en/Publications/WP/Issues/2021/09/23/Still-Not-Getting-Energy-Prices-Right-A-Global-and-Country-Update-of-Fossil-Fuel-Subsidies-466004
the U.S. props up the Fossil Fuel industry with 20 billion a year.
And that isn't even including third party costs (infrastructure, environmental damage) or pro-fossil fuel public policy like suburbanization, the lack of public transportation despite it being hugely successful globally.
Not to mention the various government incentives to establish coal and the Fossil Fuel industry as it was budding into the industrial revolution (which is exactly what you are saying we shouldn't do for alternative energy, despite the overwhelming evidence that such measures massively changed our world for the better, even if that positive is temporary).
There's just so much wrong with your perspective. A) we absolutely do prop up the Fossil Fuel industry, and have done so since the dawn of the industrial revolution. B) just because something may appear cheaper and the better alternative may require investment, does not mean that upgrading our system is somehow not worth it.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 12:01 pm to Fells
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Oh you sweet summer child, you aren't aware of how much we subsidize non-alternative energy?
Really? Care to compare the subsidies with the amount of tax dollars to the state and federal government makes off the sale of gasoline? You are aware that the government makes more off of a gallon of gasoline than the people who bring it up out of the ground, refine, transport and sell it, correct?
Posted on 3/2/22 at 12:30 pm to chrome_daddy
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Why do you care about Russia? Frick them.
He cares about Russia 100% because Trump can't stop idealizing and praising a dictator and because of the nonsensical alt-Right talking points. No other reasons. Just another boot licker.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 12:30 pm to troyt37
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Care to compare the subsidies with the amount of tax dollars to the state and federal government makes off the sale of gasoline?
10%, on average.
You seem to be implying that the government cannot also derive revenue from alternative energy.
Posted on 3/2/22 at 12:46 pm to Fells
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You seem to be implying that the government cannot also derive revenue from alternative energy.
No, I'm implying the tax revenue outweighs the subsidies by a metric frickton. Sure, the government can derive revenue from alternative energy, but not when that same government has fleeced the taxpayer for billions to create that alternative energy. If alternative energy were an economically viable business, that wouldn't be happening. Their solution to this is obvious, make fossil fuel energy more expensive. Every cent that gas prices increase makes alternative energy more viable, but we are not supposed to realize that the result is exponentially higher energy costs.
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