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re: Well that didn’t take long - BAKE THAT CAKE YOU DIRTY TEXAS CHRISTIAN!
Posted on 11/8/26 at 4:55 pm to VOR
Posted on 11/8/26 at 4:55 pm to VOR
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The terms of marriage are not negotiated between the judge and the parties. Marriage is a defined legal term as far as the state is concerned…
So?
Let me ask you a few questions...
Do you think the state can force a pastor or a Muslim cleric to marry a gay couple?
Are couples married by a pastor or Muslim cleric any less married according to the government than they would have been if they had been married by a judge? Is that a different classification or are the terms of marriage different in one case vs the other?
BTW, I can be ordained for $50 online and I can legally marry people. If I do so and marry some of my friends, can the government also force me to marry a random gay couple who approaches me wanting me to marry them?
This ability to marry people legally isn't so exclusive as some of y'all think.
This post was edited on 11/8/26 at 4:58 pm
Posted on 11/8/26 at 5:06 pm to GoblinGuide
It’s also completely voluntary to officiate weddings and is not a requirement of the job. If you have such strong feelings, just don’t do weddings at all.
Posted on 11/8/26 at 5:18 pm to Clarence_Beeks
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It’s also completely voluntary to officiate weddings and is not a requirement of the job.
Which is exactly why the state shouldn't be able to regulate it.
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If you have such strong feelings, just don’t do weddings at all.
Or, marry who you want to and not who you don't.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 7:44 am to wackatimesthree
You clearly missed the point. Marriage
carries with it legal effects involving property and child welfare. Hence, there is a legitimate state interest in the institution. States have allowed the officiant to be a judge. It does not require a pastor or other cleric. The state does not dictate the religious beliefs of clerics or their congregants. Judges are state officials and subject to state law. Pastors are not…
Your questions miss the issue entirely. The state is not forcing clerics of any sort to act contrary to their religious beliefs…
carries with it legal effects involving property and child welfare. Hence, there is a legitimate state interest in the institution. States have allowed the officiant to be a judge. It does not require a pastor or other cleric. The state does not dictate the religious beliefs of clerics or their congregants. Judges are state officials and subject to state law. Pastors are not…
Your questions miss the issue entirely. The state is not forcing clerics of any sort to act contrary to their religious beliefs…
Posted on 11/9/26 at 8:05 am to VOR
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States have allowed the officiant to be a judge. It does not require a pastor or other cleric. The state does not dictate the religious beliefs of clerics or their congregants. Judges are state officials and subject to state law. Pastors are not…
I'll ask you because I'm genuinely not sure: if wacka is correct and judges are allowed (but not compelled) to be the officiant for marriages as a feature of their job, how is it different than someone who offers their services as a secular officiant?
I'm still hesitant to say that this would run afoul of the SCOTUS decision because that focused on expressive speech and design. Gorsuch even cautioned in the opinion that it was based on someone "being compelled to create a work of art." A judge officiating a legal marriage is way harder to sell as expressive speech than baking a custom cake or designing a website.
Posted on 11/9/26 at 8:28 am to GoblinGuide
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They can always step down if they can't do their job.
Just like the original party of slavery and Jim Crow. Why not just force people to work against their will.
Dem filth will never change.
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