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Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:42 pm to BBONDS25
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When you said “a couple of sets of brothers” he thought you meant “a couple of sets of brothers”
Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:45 pm to TigerDoc
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...If you lack a certain amount of intellectual humility, you will [u]rely arrogantly in yourself in all sorts of cases where you're mistaken and cut yourself from all sorts of people and knowledge that could correct you.
That's a wild theory, Doc. Are you in the Psyche field or Medicine?
You wiffed like crazy. Nice breeze. But don't give up!
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Once you go down the rabbit hole as far as lib, can you come back?
Can't you unsee what has already been seen?
There's good reason most folks don't go there. Truth is enlightening and liberating. But at the same time, dangerous, ugly and evil. Too much curiosity in the quest for truth can be both a blessing and curse.
(Ignorance *is* bliss.)
Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:46 pm to Indefatigable
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Ah yes. Please double down. Transporting bricks by sea in the 1840’s is a borderline impossible task according to Liberator.
Seems this would be easy to fact check. How many boats were used to transport the bricks? Did bricks weigh the same then as now. Now 16MM bricks would weigh 68MM pounds. So what was the load capacity of boats back then and how many boats were used? I find it hard to believe someone would need to fake ships logs to fake brick deliveries. What is happening here?
Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:48 pm to BBONDS25
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I find it hard to believe someone would need to fake ships logs to fake brick deliveries. What is happening here?
The problem is a coincidental lack of ANY docs and logs.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:51 pm to BBONDS25
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What is happening here?
Liberator using a lack of accurate surviving shipping logs from the 19th century to imply that aliens or some ancient civilization built Ft Jefferson. He’s a total loon.
He made a thread on it. He also believes that Salt Lake City was built by these same aliens or whatever because there aren’t enough contemporaneous photos of the LDS’ temple out there being constructed.
Like I said, complete whack job
This post was edited on 1/24/23 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:51 pm to Liberator
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The problem is a coincidental lack of ANY docs and logs.
But why is it a problem? What is the accusation here?
This post was edited on 1/24/23 at 1:52 pm
Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:54 pm to BBONDS25
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But why is it a problem? What is the accusation here?
Obviously “they” have something to hide. liberator believes that star forts are some intergalactic portal or some dumb shite like that.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 1:55 pm to Liberator
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The problem is a coincidental lack of ANY docs and logs.
Have you looked at "A Constructional History of Fort Jefferson?"
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:01 pm to Indefatigable
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Obviously “they” have something to hide. liberator believes that star forts are some intergalactic portal or some dumb shite like that.
If you're a prosecutor and your job is to investigate a potential criminal conspiracy (Bonds' input here would be welcome), it helps to consider evidence being destroyed/suppressed, but that's a special context where presumably you have certain other evidence to justify deliberately trying to rule out conspiracies.
That's not the right standard for historical explanation because of the rate of loss of evidence for non-conspiratorial explanations is such that you're usually better off presuming all sorts of natural and non-conspiratorial human reasons for evidence loss. If you presume lack of historical evidence for X is good evidence for X being a conspiracy then you are going to end up believing that history is a massive conspiracy (which is what Lib seems to believe).
Note here that I'm not saying that conspiracies shouldn't ever be considered as historical explanations or favored as best explanations. They should sometimes depending on the evidence and many are well-attested, but again use inference to best explanation...
This post was edited on 1/24/23 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:15 pm to BBONDS25
The problem with the Fort Jefferson "history" narrative? (a fascinating place, and even more fascinating claim that it was built BY America BY "Americans" in the time frame claimed, BY the logistics claimed.)
tPTB's constant demand that the impossible and undocumented be accepted as fact. In this case as in many others "history" is based only on an appeal to authority and what appears to be verbal history and flimsy so-called "records" (despite the conspicuous lack of official/un-official documentation, historical records, logs, names, construction / logistical details.)
Records from the mid-1850s (when construction of Fort Jefferson supposedly got underway) shouldn't be impossible to obtain in the archives or LOC records. YET...
FWIW, this kind of handling and haphazard cobbling of a "Historical Narrative" is rife across the board. It's not just Fort Jefferson.
The Narrative": "Believe us. We wouldn't lie or revise or edit "History."
tPTB's constant demand that the impossible and undocumented be accepted as fact. In this case as in many others "history" is based only on an appeal to authority and what appears to be verbal history and flimsy so-called "records" (despite the conspicuous lack of official/un-official documentation, historical records, logs, names, construction / logistical details.)
Records from the mid-1850s (when construction of Fort Jefferson supposedly got underway) shouldn't be impossible to obtain in the archives or LOC records. YET...
FWIW, this kind of handling and haphazard cobbling of a "Historical Narrative" is rife across the board. It's not just Fort Jefferson.
The Narrative": "Believe us. We wouldn't lie or revise or edit "History."
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:15 pm to Liberator
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You wiffed like crazy. Nice breeze. But don't give up!
If you reject established intellectual authorities, you have to either defer to a non-established authority or set yourself up as a higher authority (or some combination). Non-established authorities are often right, but IMO the warrant for believing them requires a very high threshold of evidence and if it's not been subjected to a community trying to pick it apart and disprove it, it's best to take a wait-and-see approach. As far as deferring to yourself as the highest intellectual authority, even nobel laureates hold all sorts of kooky and poorly justified beliefs. We all do. Our minds use all sorts of shortcuts that are helpful for reasoning in some ways but mislead us in others. It's good to distribute cognitive labor and use a community approach in a responsible way to getting better beliefs.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:17 pm to TbirdSpur2010
Tbird, can you prove you didn't secretly build a time machine with your brother to steal content from the Hodge twins? Or get in contact with a wizard who allowed you to edit the YouTube coding to show that you were on there before the twins?
Because if you can't prove you didn't, that's kinda sus
Because if you can't prove you didn't, that's kinda sus
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:19 pm to Liberator
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Records from the mid-1850s (when construction of Fort Jefferson supposedly got underway) shouldn't be impossible to obtain in the archives or LOC records.
I know that you won't respond, but what is the basis for this statement? The norm is for records that old to no longer be in existence, not for the LOC to have everything ever. As usual, the premise on which your point rests is total garbage.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:19 pm to Liberator
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The Narrative": "Believe us. We wouldn't lie or revise or edit "History."
Well, this is silly. History doesn't proclaim accounts as final accounts. It's empirical (based on evidence) and fallibilistic (presumes knowledge can be ground empirically but without certainty). When evidence changes, history should and does change.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:22 pm to TigerDoc
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When evidence changes, history should and does change.
BUT LIBERATOR DOESN"T HAVE SHIPPING LOGS SHOWING THE BRICKS GOING TO FLORIDA
It's obviously evidence of a deep state coverup that aliens built Ft. Jefferson as some type of space portal. They are just hiding it from us.
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:29 pm to Indefatigable
I think when you consume history as products of culture (e.g. through marketing, swag, schlocky shows, and pastiche) you can acquire this very legit and correct impression that "there is bullshite in this", but if you take this intuition in the wrong directions you can end up massively pilled. I was a student worker in the LSU history department back in the day and if you saw how historians actually acrimoniously argue with each other over evidence it would be hard to come up with a grand conspiracy theory of history idea. It's hard to get historians to agree on anything. You think you're going to get them all to answer red phones on their desk from the illuminati to make a coordinated story about bricks?
This post was edited on 1/24/23 at 2:32 pm
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:31 pm to TigerDoc
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You are going to end up believing that history is a massive conspiracy (which is what Lib seems to believe).
Dots and patterns are researched. When there's a sufficient number dots an obvious larger pattern or tendency is created.
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If you presume lack of historical evidence for X is good evidence for X being a conspiracy then you are going to end up believing that history is a massive conspiracy (which is what Lib seems to believe).
Not quite the proper formula.
But yes, "History" (as we've been told) happens to be massive cluster and giant lie. The actual truth is earth-shattering (Let's put it this way; The shape of the Realm [FLAT] is a minor lie in comparison.)
And lest you think deep research, assessment & knowledge is quite uncommon, you'd be surprised at how mistaken you'd be.
If you haven't the time or inclination, you won't nor can't see it as being important enough to merit attention and energy (not a criticism of you or your capabilities.)
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:32 pm to Indefatigable
24/7
Atta boy, OCD!
Atta boy, OCD!
Posted on 1/24/23 at 2:33 pm to Liberator
So...why Maine?
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