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Posted on 10/31/17 at 10:44 am to VOLhalla
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I know it's a minor thing to complain about but I see it happen all the time here
About the only thing above reproach when it comes down to unbiased articles in the news - box scores from a ball game. Can't dispute that. As Joe Friday said, nothing but the facts maam.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 10:45 am to BeeFense5
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It's telling that the progs won't discuss content but just deflect.
And it's not accidental.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 10:56 am to Iosh
quote:Honestly, I'm going to give the man props for annotating that it's an opinion piece and not the typical "even The Washington Post said" prelude.
Rogers or Thiessen?
I'm not convinced that the equivalence this line of argument is trying to draw is all that persuasive. On the one hand we have campaign "A" hiring an American research firm to find dirt, and then that firm, without any known direction from campaign "A," subcontracting work out to an experienced collector who then runs Russian sources. On the other we have campaign "B" allegedly tasking advisors to mine oppo research by establishing contact with the Russian government. There's quite a bit of difference between the two.
Still, it's not an angle entirely unworthy of pursuing. I honestly don't think it's going to help much in any practical sense, though.
This is a "hard" legal proceeding at this point. It's not in Congress. It's not on twitter. It's not optics. It's facts and what can and can't be proven.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 11:17 am
Posted on 10/31/17 at 10:57 am to ShortyRob
quote:When the "content" of the OP consists of a Washington Post columnist whining that a story is being undercovered, and that story is illustrated with links to NBC News, CNN, The Atlantic, and several other Washington Post stories, I tend to discount the rest of it. I also tend to discount opinions which rely on misrepresentation and false equivalence:
In any case, it's clear that folks like you enter threads like this primarily to ensure that the content in the OP doesn't get discussed.
quote:So the connection on Trump's side is this:
One of the faces of the campaign to repeal the Magnitsky Act was the Russian lawyer Natalia Veselnitskaya (the same lawyer who famously met with Donald Trump Jr. in 2016). She visited the United States in 2016 ostensibly to lobby on adoption issues (Putin had barred Americans from adopting Russian children in response to the passage of the Magnitsky Act), but her real purpose was to push the repeal of the act and prevent the passage of a global law bearing Magnitsky’s name. Concurrently, Veselnitskaya defended Prevezon, a company sanctioned under the Magnitsky Act for laundering money from the tax fraud Magnitsky uncovered. Prevezon is owned by Denis Katsyv, a Putin-linked oligarch and son of a former Russian government minister.
1. Veselnitskaya had a suspicious meeting with Trump Jr. and Manafort.
The connection on Clinton's side is this:
1. Veselnitskaya represented Prevezon in a legal dispute.
2. Prevezon in turn hired Baker Hostetler (unmentioned by Thiessen because listing all the proxies would make his comparison look as silly as it is)
3. Baker Hostetler in turn hired Fusion GPS to investigate a witness (Browder)
4. The Democrats also hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump
5. Fusion GPS hired Orbis (Orbis also not mentioned because Thiessen wants it to look like Fusion GPS was going out there talking to spooks when it was Steele).
6. Orbis (Steele) meets with current/former Russian gov't contacts to build the dossier
Not only is that literally six degrees of separation compared to one but the only proof offered that Fusion GPS was doing anything untoward is the uncorroborated testimony of Browder, whereas we have emails showing the agenda of the Trump campaign's meeting with Veselnitskaya was explicitly declared to be "part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump."
Only motivated reasoning could possibly lead you to the belief that this is the REAL bombshell.
This will get multiple replies and most of them will be "cuck" "shill" "fail" or some such.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 11:00 am
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:00 am to Iosh
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This will get multiple replies and most of them will be "cuck" "shill" "fail" or some such.
Dude.
If you responded like this routinely, you might actually get discussion.
When you spend 3 pages doing exactly what you claim is a problem, no one gives a shite when you finally don't.
I mean, you do realize that every post you did in this thread prior to this one was the exact equivalent of "cuck" "shill" "fail"......right?
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:04 am to VOLhalla
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t continues to amaze me how posters here cannot understand that opinion pieces both aren't news and don't necessarily represent the views of the news organization.
It amazes me that people think there are "news" organizations that aren't opinion biased.
That ship sailed long ago, IF, it ever even existed in the first place.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:18 am to ShortyRob
quote:Nobody on this forum makes effortposts >50% of the time. Everyone snarks in various proportions. Which is fine, that's how humans are. But I'm not compelled by isolated demands for rigor to "up my game" on a forum where posting reams of 4chan shite on interdimensional shapeshifting child molesters will get you hailed as a genius.
Dude.
If you responded like this routinely, you might actually get discussion.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:19 am to Iosh
quote:Surely this will put this issue to rest unless some new information is revealed.
So the connection on Trump's side is this: 1. Veselnitskaya had a suspicious meeting with Trump Jr. and Manafort. The connection on Clinton's side is this: 1. Veselnitskaya represented Prevezon in a legal dispute. 2. Prevezon in turn hired Baker Hostetler (unmentioned by Thiessen because listing all the proxies would make his comparison look as silly as it is) 3. Baker Hostetler in turn hired Fusion GPS to investigate a witness (Browder) 4. The Democrats also hired Fusion GPS to investigate Trump 5. Fusion GPS hired Orbis (Orbis also not mentioned because Thiessen wants it to look like Fusion GPS was going out there talking to spooks when it was Steele). 6. Orbis (Steele) meets with current/former Russian gov't contacts to build the dossier Not only is that literally six degrees of separation compared to one but the only proof offered that Fusion GPS was doing anything untoward is the uncorroborated testimony of Browder, whereas we have emails showing the agenda of the Trump campaign's meeting with Veselnitskaya was explicitly declared to be "part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump."
I'm just kidding.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:22 am to BobBoucher
Read the comments section if you want some good melts
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 11:26 am
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:27 am to BobBoucher
Leftists in thread have nothing regarding the subject matter
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:52 am to Iosh
quote:Shorty takes breaks from being a typical anti-cuck/libtard/prog/neolibfilth polibro to play hall monitor for people he doesn't like. Doesn't seem to give much flak to Karla, Bengal, etc.
Nobody on this forum makes effortposts >50% of the time. Everyone snarks in various proportions. Which is fine, that's how humans are. But I'm not compelled by isolated demands for rigor to "up my game" on a forum where posting reams of 4chan shite on interdimensional shapeshifting child molesters will get you hailed as a genius.
It's a new thing for him.
This post was edited on 10/31/17 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 10/31/17 at 11:53 am to Iosh
quote:
I'm not compelled by isolated demands for rigor
Posted on 10/31/17 at 12:48 pm to Iosh
quote:"Nobody" is false.
Nobody on this forum makes effortposts >50% of the time
What you mean to say is a lot don't. Which is true.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 12:53 pm to ShortyRob
Iosh is clearly deflecting but he's not wrong. Linking these articles and then slapping "WaPo" on them is disingenuous considering it is an opinion piece.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 12:55 pm to NIH
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Iosh is clearly deflecting but he's not wrong. Linking these articles and then slapping "WaPo" on them is disingenuous considering it is an opinion piece.
Meh.
Like I said. Even on the opinion pages, nearly every media outlet has limits to what they'll let get printed. It's not a free for all. So, to that end, it IS WaPo.
But regardless. If a person responds to an OP that includes a link without at least looking at the link, I really haven't much sympathy over them being duped.
Being lazy doesn't generate much give a frick in me.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 12:56 pm to cajunangelle
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WaPo and their cheapass paywall can go frick themselves.
Just copy the link, open an incognito tab and paste link.
Paywall defeated.
Posted on 10/31/17 at 2:57 pm to 90proofprofessional
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