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90proofprofessional
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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Well let's start with how much was added to the debt in fiscal 2015.

Does it match their number? Is it even within 100 billion?


Did you take into account the change in Treasury cash balances over that same time period?


llfshoals
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
Ask the US Treasury I use their numbers


90proofprofessional
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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Ask the US Treasury I use their numbers


and clearly without understanding what they actually mean, apparently

keep making a clown of yourself by telling people their data is wrong though


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I don't understand all this but I sure am glad that democrats and their minions in the press are going to be pushing hard to hold that line on spending going forward.

just like with this budget agre...

nevermind


BigAppleBucky
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The added borrowing the tax bill and this proposed budget will require is one of the things making the stock market nervous. Not saying the recent plunges are due only to deficit concerns, but the likely increase in public borrowing sure as heck isn't helping.


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90proofprofessional
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
what are you blithering about now


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Don’t know why it’s downvoted. Truth is what the truth is. Doesn’t matter who I have voted for in the past.

Nobody wants to make the tough calls and make the case for reining things in.

Let’s be honest. Trump hasn’t done much here, either.


Because discretionary spending really isn't where you do that, if we are going to be honest. It's a drop in the bucket.


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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
Just vote no.

No increase in debt ceiling, no bribes to get senators and house to vote yes so they get pork for their local defense contractor plant.

No inflation riser for defense and war.

Every budget must be 100 billion less than previous.



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WaPo


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gthog61
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what are you blithering about now



The fact that the fricking democrats have the media in their hip pocket makes it virtually impossible for the Republicans to do anything whatsoever about spending and survive politically.

Is that plain enough for you?

Social Security and Medicare need to be fixed. How would you propose someone push that and survive politically?


90proofprofessional
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first of all, lol just lol at blaming the media for failing to pass budgets without blowing out the deficits at the top of the business cycle, after piling on obama for failing to do the same during a weak recovery

but to your oh-so-earnest question:

maybe don't support presidential candidates who promise not to touch that stuff early during their presidential campaigns

maybe gravitate towards politicians who put out long-term plans that try to get those things under control, like paul ryan's old Roadmap like 9 years ago

maybe reward the ones who try to tell boring and unpleasant truths rather than appeal to base tribal instincts, and we'll get more of the former


llfshoals
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and clearly without understanding what they actually mean, apparently

keep making a clown of yourself by telling people their data is wrong though
I only tell people they're wrong when the data says they're wrong.

You should try it. Math doesn't lie, it can mislead if you try and use it incorrectly, which you are.

At the end of the day the only number that matters is how much more did you borrow.

Because as you're asserting you borrowed more because you had more cash well that's a level of stupidity that's just impossible to dent with logic or reason.


90proofprofessional
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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I only tell people they're wrong when the data says they're wrong.

yeah it doesn't tho

you only think it does because you've been too lazy to bother understanding what "the data" even means

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At the end of the day the only number that matters is how much more did you borrow.

Cash on hand that existed before the borrowing & spending matters just as much, if we're talking about the impact of a budget deficit on total debt, which you are. Any clown should know that
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Because as you're asserting you borrowed more because you had more cash

I'm guessing you're too lost to even know you should be embarrassed at how dumb this comment makes you look. Not sure whether I should explain it yet more explicitly than I already have, or just let you flail in the dark some more.
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maybe don't support presidential candidates who promise not to touch that stuff early during their presidential campaigns
and who might this be and how is this even relevant?

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maybe gravitate towards politicians who put out long-term plans that try to get those things under control, like paul ryan's old Roadmap like 9 years ago
yeah this sounds nice but establishment politicians kill these ideas because no one wants their entitlement programs cut. trump's done his part - he got govt out of the way of the economy. the rest is up to us and congress. the only politicians i know who are deadly serious about balancing the budget are tea party members but the establishment is way more entrenched, as trump is illustrating constantly

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maybe reward the ones who try to tell boring and unpleasant truths rather than appeal to base tribal instincts
well then you should love trump. he's been telling LOTS of unpleasant truths


90proofprofessional
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and who might this be and how is this even relevant?


it's trump. it's relevant because it was a high-profile campaign promise of the guy who became the president.
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but establishment politicians kill these ideas because no one wants their entitlement programs cut

especially hard to cut when your non-establishment guys rush to promise no cuts there even faster than your establishment ones.
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well then you should love trump. he's been telling LOTS of unpleasant truths

lol just lol

the guy lies, flip-flops, and panders more than obama and romney combined

his proposed solutions for our spending problems are the best thing of all, with his "rebuild our military" on top of his promises of not touching medicare and SS- that old chestnut about "fraud and waste". and of course, on top of his promises of the biggest tax cuts ever

face it, candidate trump had "will absolutely explode federal deficits" written all over him and you were one of many who so easily fell for his bullshite
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wutangfinancial
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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face it, candidate trump had "will absolutely explode federal deficits" written all over him and you were one of many who so easily fell for his bullshitee



You can say this about all but two of the candidates for the Rs. Who did you support again?


90proofprofessional
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Who did you support again?

Now that it's becoming plain that Trumpkin fiscal fantasies are going to be dashed, brutally, I love how all of a sudden you guys all wanna cross-examine MY stances. Including my stances during the primaries!

The weird this is, back then the Trumpkin swarm on this board treated my stances as if they were about as desirable as ball cancer, or about as respected as a cuck (the literal kind, not the trump-critic kind).

You can try to deflect to me all you want, and I may even humor you for a moment. But you'll have to just live with the fact that I see no need at all to defend myself in the way you're trying to get me to. If you're really curious, I do have a posting record here that is quite available for you to peruse.


N.O. via West-Cal
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
"Trump makings liberals care about the deficit. "

If you turn on the news, you are likely to hear Democrats talking about the budget deficit and Republicans addressing civil liberties. Interesting times.


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wutangfinancial
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
You completely missed my point. There will never, ever be a fiscally conservative president again in my lifetime. So between the two choices we were blessed with Trump would be the fiscally conservative of the two


90proofprofessional
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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So between the two choices we were blessed with Trump would be the fiscally conservative of the two

when asked before November who would be better for "the economy", my response always was the same

growth would be somewhat slower under clinton, the debt would be somewhat worse under trump

obviously if you value fiscal conservatism neither was worth supporting, because smaller government was an actual priority for neither

ETA: and no, i didn't "miss your point". you are far from the first, even on this page, to hit me with some variant of well what did you want to do. whether you admit it or not your point was to shift the discussion onto me, just like everyone else who wants to defend trump here but can't
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