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Terry the Tiger
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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The Republicans are hypocrites about the deficit and their supporters only care about deficits when Democrats are in power.


No, I still care about the deficit, but the stupid Democrats are painting themselves in a corner. They let Obama add $10 trillion to the deficit. But now they started to care about the deficit when they voted against the tax law. So let’s see how much the Democrats worry about the deficit when it comes to entitlement reform. The deficit or their constituents?


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bfniii
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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it was a high-profile campaign promise of the guy who became the president
i've looked through dozens of campaign promises and i can't find any reference to staying away from budget deals

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especially hard to cut when your non-establishment guys rush to promise no cuts there even faster than your establishment ones
link?

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the guy lies, flip-flops, and panders more than obama and romney combined
bullcrap. you are pretty much always full of crap. this is a great example. he has consistently been proven right on a number of issues. it's not even a controversial statement and you're asserting the opposite which is typical

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his proposed solutions for our spending problems are the best thing of all, with his "rebuild our military"
you can increase the military budget while still cutting spending overall. i guess this is a mystery to you

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on top of his promises of not touching medicare and SS- that old chestnut about "fraud and waste"
elaborate

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and of course, on top of his promises of the biggest tax cuts ever
he's batting 1.000 on this one, right?

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candidate trump had "will absolutely explode federal deficits" written all over him and you were one of many who so easily fell for his bullshite
you don't know that "fell" for anything. btw, he's doing pretty good so far. the president's job is to get govt out of the way of business and he did that. the rest is up to congress and the country


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Trumpkin fiscal fantasies are going to be dashed
he's already been a success nitwit. his job is to get govt out of the way so business can thrive and that is EXACTLY what is happening. congress is responsible for cutting their own spending so as to balance the budget. they suck at it.

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I do have a posting record here that is quite available for you to peruse
given our prior conversations, this is a losing strategy for you. or have you forgotten the obama era revision conversation?


bfniii
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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the debt would be somewhat worse under trump
blaming trump for something congress is responsible for. good work

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smaller government was an actual priority for neither
trump has been an advocate for pushing an issue down to the state level on multiple occasions. so you wrong, as usual


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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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i've looked through dozens of campaign promises and i can't find any reference to staying away from budget deals

this stupidity makes me think i shouldn't even bother to read the rest of your posts

"that stuff" he promised not to touch was SS & medicare. i didn't say he promised to "stay away from budget deals", you halfwit


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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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given our prior conversations, this is a losing strategy for you. or have you forgotten the obama era revision conversation?

oh, sweet jesus please let's go over that. in great detail. let's start by you describing these "obama era" revisions in explicit detail.

we can pick up where it stalled last time- waiting for you actually show some consistent pattern of them being adjusted in a certain direction.

you want to bump the thread or should i?


bfniii
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"that stuff" he promised not to touch was SS & medicare. i didn't say he promised to "stay away from budget deals", you halfwit
your response didn't specify that's specifically what you were talking about. this discussion has been about the budget deficit. and given your history of posting nonsense that you get called out for by multiple people (like your ridiculous notion that obama didn't have agencies publishing fudged numbers to the media which they obviously were), you probably should refrain from calling someone a halfwit

and btw, what exactly is your point in this thread other than to just oppose anything and everything trump? the guy is doing his job and has had a respectable year. numerous things that have gone right have been well documented around here. i'll say it again, you seem to be blaming trump for something that congress is largely responsible for - cutting spending, balancing the budget, etc.


bfniii
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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we can pick up where it stalled last time- waiting for you actually show some consistent pattern of them being adjusted in a certain direction
yeah. i posted article after article of people pointing it out from multiple govt organizations and you just kept waving your hand that "it didn't happen." ok baghdad bob

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you want to bump the thread or should i?
if you want to actually respond to all of the info i posted. otherwise, it's probably better you let that embarrassing performance stay buried.

and don't act like i'm the only person calling you out for your nonsense. it's happening in this thread to, as usual


Ebbandflow
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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The Republicans are hypocrites about the deficit and their supporters only care about deficits when Democrats are in power.


Of course. They're totally okay with inflated military spending, invading foreign countries and draining the s*** out of our country, rewarding weapons contractors with tax payer money...etc. they just don't like it when it's applied to healthcare or any regulations that some sociopathic businessman has a problem with


90proofprofessional
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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your response didn't specify that's specifically what you were talking about.

it would have been obvious had you been paying attention to the post i was replying to. i know, that's far too much to ask from the likes of you.
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and given your history of posting nonsense that you get called out for by multiple people (like your ridiculous notion that obama didn't have agencies publishing fudged numbers to the media which they obviously were)

every time you assert this after consistently pussying out from trying to actually prove it, you look like yet more of a tool.
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and btw, what exactly is your point in this thread other than to just oppose anything and everything trump?

read my posts and respond to them on their merits and at face value, or ignore them. i feel no need to justify myself to low-rent trump apologists like you.
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i'll say it again, you seem to be blaming trump for something that congress is largely responsible for - cutting spending, balancing the budget, etc.

and you seem to be absolving him of any responsibility for what the party he leads is doing.

i wonder, do you give congress 100% of the credit for the tax cuts, and the president 0%?
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90proofprofessional
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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yeah. i posted article after article of people pointing it out from multiple govt organizations and you just kept waving your hand that "it didn't happen." ok baghdad bob

this is, of course, easily refuted by reading the thread.

there, you asserted a consistent pattern of revision in a certain direction. as support, and only after much prodding, you posted a couple of instances where it was revised in one direction. i then posted a couple of examples where it was revised in the other direction.

your strong claim of consistent "fudging" remains laughably unsupported. you probably have some inkling of a clue that you can't defend your assertion in any rigorous way, so you call my posts "sophistry" (like where i point out that these revisions happen on a well-established and public schedule) or something when you come back to post in two days, again.

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if you want to actually respond to all of the info i posted. otherwise, it's probably better you let that embarrassing performance stay buried.

i've given your "info" more than the response it warrants in the context of your claim. if you had any sense, you'd be embarrassed. i'm happy to let it stay buried as you say, or let you continue to make a fool of yourself.

but you were the one who brought up that old thread here. "offering" to let it stay buried tells me that maybe you do have an inkling of how dumb your entire argument there has been.

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and don't act like i'm the only person calling you out

where did i do that? i refer to the "trumpkin horde" on this board frequently
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it's happening in this thread to, as usual


and as usual, i'm handing them their asses.



bfniii
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They're totally okay with inflated military spending
this stupidity will never die. without a defense budget for the military, there won't be a country to have a budget.

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invading foreign countries
not related to the budget at all

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draining the s*** out of our country
pointless generality that has nothing to do with the topic

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rewarding weapons contractors with tax payer money
yes this does happen and it's not right. regardless, what does this have to do with the topic

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they just don't like it when it's applied to healthcare
yeah, you're right. republicans NEVER talk about healthcare reform.

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or any regulations that some sociopathic businessman has a problem with
whatever this means

thanks for the substantive contributions to the conversation. i'm glad there weren't any stereotypes in your post


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bfniii
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it would have been obvious had you been paying attention
i was paying attention and if you go back and look at the freakin quote it wasn't specific

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every time you assert this after consistently pussying out from trying to actually prove it
the articles are still there for you to respond to, you know, with actual substance. instead of "nuh uhn"

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i feel no need to justify myself to low-rent trump apologists like you.
so you don't have a point on this topic. you're just opposing anything that remotely looks pro trump. that's all you had to say. this is precisely what happened in the other thread. when pressed for substantiation, you go turtle shell and act like you shouldn't have to back up what you're saying

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you seem to be absolving him of any responsibility for what the party he leads is doing
i've already addressed this. but keep ignoring

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do you give congress 100% of the credit for the tax cuts, and the president 0%?
no. why would anyone do this?

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you asserted a consistent pattern of revision in a certain direction
no i didn't and this is evidence that you don't understand what you are critiquing. i posted evidence that LOTS of people think this. and they had actual substantiation.

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you posted a couple of instances where it was revised in one direction
blatant lie. i posted 13 articles substantiating what i was saying; that the obama economy was terrible and that the numbers reported to the media were intentionally misleading. it's not really even a controversial statement, especially when you look at the evidence

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i point out that these revisions happen on a well-established and public schedule
yeah this pathetic attempt at sophistry was dealt with

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i've given your "info" more than the response it warrants in the context of your claim
"i don't want to deal with your mountain of facts so i'll just ignore them"

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you were the one who brought up that old thread here
yep. just checked it and it still shows a clear record of you dodging

here's another on the same topic

but keep denying

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and as usual, i'm handing them their asses
ok. everyone is wrong and you're right. you need counseling


90proofprofessional
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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the articles are still there for you to respond to, you know, with actual substance.

in futile fashion, i just looked over the articles you linked. since i already wasted some time doing that, here goes a good-faith response to your horribly-flawed characterization of your 'supporting evidence'. i'm 99% sure this will get me nothing more than further shitposting from you in response, but here it goes anyway.

what you call "substance" is a collection of anecdotes, not any kind of systematic analysis- and that's what you'd need to support allegations of fraud with the data. seriously, how can you not understand that?

these data are all public, yet these allegations are only ever accompanied by cherry-picked months where a downward revision happens.

a partial exception was the "willisms" article, which does at least look at annual revisions over a couple of years at a time for a few items. it's not a big enough window to convincingly demonstrate a systematic bias, but still. hilariously, in that article, they note more upward GDP revisions than downward ones.

if you want to prove consistent bias, here's what you're working with. take the two primary economic indicators typically cited: payroll jobs and GDP. an initial GDP estimate + 2 revised estimates happens each month (plus a later final revision). for jobs, same deal. a large population of revisions, such that a consistent bias should be apparent in the overall numbers.

that means that for Obama there are about 192 scheduled data revisions (8 years * 12 months * 2 revisions) for GDP, and that's if you're not looking at final revisions. same for jobs.

your google-sourced collection of 13 articles that talk about downward revisions account for like 7 jobs revisions and 3 GDP ones. (and some of them cite reports while not mentioning the upward revisions they contained, only downward ones. but let's leave that aside.)

to demonstrate the point that cherry-picking is easy if that's what we're doing, i posted articles about two reports that account for 4 upward jobs revisions by themselves.

the point: you can post all the articles that reference a single month that you want. but unless you post articles like that for nearly every single month of obama's presidency, they wouldn't come close to proving your claim.

the funny thing is, you don't even need articles. you could just pull down numbers of revisions and see how many are upward and how many are downward.

why don't you try doing it the correct way and stop relying on the narratives of hacks? as the cliche goes, the plural of anecdote is not data.

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ok. everyone is wrong and you're right. you need counseling

couldn't resist this one. speaking of those threads, how did Q4 GDP turn out?
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ocelot4ark
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
We will never get anywhere in this country if our people can't at least hold to their principles. You people downvoting the OP are fricking retarded if you're also claiming to be fiscally conservative. Because you aren't.


bfniii
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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what you call "substance" is a collection of anecdotes, not any kind of systematic analysis- and that's what you'd need to support allegations of fraud with the data.
there it is! "i don't want to do the legwork of disproving all the info provided." well, that didn't take long.

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cherry-picked months
i could show you 100% and you would still act like an idiot

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downward revisions account for like 7 jobs revisions and 3 GDP ones
those are just the ones i found in a few minutes of searching. freakin nitwit

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posted articles about two reports that account for 4 upward jobs revisions by themselves.
and those revisions were later revised downwards further proving my point. my gosh you are special

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unless you post articles like that for nearly every single month of obama's presidency, they wouldn't come close to proving your claim
there we go. moving the goalposts to a ridiculous distance.

you said it didn't happen.
i proved to you that it did.
now you're saying "but you didn't prove it BIG enough." genius

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how did Q4 GDP turn out?
maga appears to be rolling along smoothly but, ANTIFA ALL THE WAYYYYYYY


DawgfaninCa
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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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Sad to see.


It's a compromise.

The Dums would have voted against the budget because of the increased funds for the military if the budget didn't include an increase in funds for social services.





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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
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You people downvoting the OP are fricking retarded
he's getting downvoted for being disingenuous. dude never made one peep about the deficit until trump was president.


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if our people can't at least hold to their principles
nobody hates republicans in congress more than republicans not in congress


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re: WaPo - Republicans do complete flip on budget deficit
Downvoting the OP means we aren't conservative?

I would suggest that the socialist OP is downvoted for being a socialist regardless of what his post said.


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