re: Voter Fraud Commission Disolved.

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A completely ridiculous statement. I never said anything close to that. 

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Oh really?

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That's all you have to say. "Oh really?" That's not an answer.

Either post the quote where I said that or admit that you just made it up.

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Every fricking lib in here was agreeing that "since nothing was found in these red states, this is a waste of money!"

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A. That's not true; and

B. If that were true, what does have to do with what I said?

Another disingenuous post by you.

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Have you ever considered that maybe there is no voter fraud in most red states, but rampant voter fraud in a couple of blue or purple states?

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A stupid, red-herring hypothetical. What does that even mean? And what does that have to do with a discussion about the voting commission findings.

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I never said there's little to one voter fraud in the U.S.. 

That's all you do. Misquote people and then attack them for something they never even said. 

Quote where I said "little to no voter fraud", and when you can't, admit that you are the one who is a disingenuous hack. 

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Well, then stop asking all of these questions that no one but the commission knows.

Do you believe that voter fraud exists?

If so, how much voter fraud should we be willing to "tolerate"?

If you find voter fraud as abhorrent as I do, and unlike most libs, I'll apologize. But your side does nothing but deny, downplay, and ignore the issue. Are you going to deny this?

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Each state has various voter ID laws that prohibit them from releasing voter's personal information.

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"Personal information" is completely, totally irrelevant to the issue at hand.

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Can you honestly say you'd be ok with your state releasing all of your personal information, including part of your social security number????

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You are apoplectic about someone sending the feds part of your social security number.
Seriously????

You do understand the feds are the issuers of SSN's in the first place?
You do understand the feds are the same folks to whom you send your SSN ... all the time?

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I've worked three out of the last five elections as a volunteer poll watcher for various campaigns and it is very, very difficult to commit voter fraud with nobody noticing.

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Well bless your little heart.
Very, very difficult??

Here is how difficult it actually is:

Example 1:
(1) A political group keeps records on which precinct residents have moved to a different locale, or died.
(2) Meanwhile, affiliated state political officials ensure voter rolls not be cleaned up for years ensuring thousands, or even tens of thousands of errors.
(3) On election day, volunteers are collected, given the name and address of previous precinct residents, and bussed to voting locations.
(4) They provide poll workers with the name and address they've been given and they vote.

Example 2:
(1) A resident fellon on parole gets registered by GOTV activists.
(2) Election day comes.
(3) He's registered. He walks into the voting station. He votes.

Example 3:
(1) An illegal alien gets registered by GOTV activists.
(2) Election day comes.
(3) She's registered. She walks into the voting station. She votes.

Example 4:
(1) States like New Hampshire allow same-day registration.
(2) New Hampshire is contiguous with heavily populated highly partisan greater Boston.
(3) "New residents" are bussed into southern New Hampshire precincts where they register, vote, then "change their mind the next day about living in NH.

Example 5:
Extrapolation of the above to absentee ballots.

Now, IF states like Minnesota were actually serious about cleaning up the fraud which you seem to happily see propagated, they would round-up and arrest felons who are documented to have illegally voted (e.g., in the Al Franken fraudulent election). But states like Minnesota have not done that.

IF states like California were serious about cleaning up the fraud which you seem to happily see propagated, when presented with evidence that illegals have registered, they would provide the names and addresses to ICE.

IF states were serious about reducing the fraud which you seem to happily see propagated, they would clean up their voter rolls.

IF states were serious about cleaning up the fraud which you seem to happily see propagated, they would cooperate with a federal commission looking into the matter.

IF you were serious about cleaning up the fraud, you would never deny proof it exists.

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One side claimed there was blatant voter fraud

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multiple examples of this has been cited in this very thread. why a couple of people are acting like this didn't happen is beyond me. well, no it's not. i know why considering who all is doubting it

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which should be provable

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it was tried but criminals didn't want to be discovered so they stonewalled which means the commission partially achieved it's aim: show where the problems are. now, the push to require voter id will show the feds precisely who is in violation of potential voting laws

ebb, what is your point? you think it's ok that the investigation was stonewalled? to preserve voter fraud? tell me how we're supposed to prevent voter fraud.

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It provided distraction as intended.

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Who was this distracting and from what?

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It provided distraction as intended.



Who was this distracting?

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Those who allowed themselves to be caught up in it.

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and from what?

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Trump's continuation of the establishment agenda.

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Well, then stop asking all of these questions that no one but the commission knows.

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Another one of your "look over there" responses, made for the sole purpose of distracting from what I have actually posted.

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Do you believe that voter fraud exists?

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130 million people voted. With that many people voting and the current methods of voting, it would be Pollyanna-ish to believe there were no fraudulent votes cast.

The question is, how many? Do I think there were 3 or 4 million fraudulent votes cast?. No. If that were the case, there would have been more extrinsic evidence. The number of properly documented cases - naming names of the cheaters - does not support that large of a number. Prosecutions for voting fraud are even fewer.

And as I have noted before in this thread, the voting fraud commission reported they had found hard evidence of voter fraud in Massachusetts (some involving voting by out-of-state college students), and had opened something like 96 investigation, but never provided final proof of any fraud - i.e., naming names. It seems to me that happens more often than not in voting fraud claims.

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If so, how much voter fraud should we be willing to "tolerate"?

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That is a (typical of you) loaded question - like when did you stop beating your wife.

I don't think it would be possible, based on the number of voters and usual methods of voting used, that voter fraud can be eradicated. I don't know how much voter fraud I would be willing to tolerate, because that number would be (at least to some extent) a function of the number of true current fraudulent voting and the money it would take to bring that number down.

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If you find voter fraud as abhorrent as I do, and unlike most libs, I'll apologize. But your side does nothing but deny, downplay, and ignore the issue. Are you going to deny this?

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The republicans say 3 million and the democrats say none. Both are full of crap. But I would guess the number is way less that 3 million.

The argument is that picture IDs would reduce voter fraud. Most likely they would, but not much in absentee voting, which from what I see is the easiest way to try to cast a fraudulent vote.

But if you are going to require a picture ID to vote, then the government should issue that ID to every voter at no cost.

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People that don't believe that voter fraud takes place are the dumbest people in America.

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They may not be as dumb as they are brainwashed sycophants.

The stupid fricks do not realize the investigation has been moved.

Just fricking morons

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Blue states refuse to provide info.

Dems claim no evidence of voter fraud and claim victory.

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As is typical, you don't know what you're talking about.

Several blue states also refused to provide information. Blue states that refused to provide information included Kansas.

Kobach, the vice chair of the voting commission, is the Kansas Secretary of State, for crying out loud.