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re: Voter Fraud Commission Disolved.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:20 pm to texridder
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:20 pm to texridder
quote:Which states fully cooperated with the commission? I've only seen a list of 3 or 4 states that refused.
What about the many states that provided information?
quote:Don't know, was it released?
What did they find in those states?
quote:Maybe nothing was found, but what about the states that wouldn't cooperate? Does absence of voter fraud in some states prove absence of voter fraud in all states?
Why would they quit looking into those states if the information provided some evidence of voter fraud?
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 10:21 pm
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:29 pm to Redleg Guy
quote:So, absence of evidence in some states proves innocence of all?
Good point, some states cooperated. Did they not find ANY evidence there? Something to prove this is not a wild goose hunt?
If the police have 50 suspects in a murder investigation and they find no evidence against the first 25 they question, should they turn loose the rest of the suspects based on the innocence of the others?
fricking liberal logic.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:30 pm to Cruiserhog
quote:
Trump's a lying pos
You can say that again.
Can't wait til 2019, when Dems regain both houses...it's on, and the lying pos....will hopefully become a thing of the past.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:31 pm to bhtigerfan
Can you not say the states they did investigate do not have a voter fraud problem? Otherwise why didn't they release something?
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:34 pm to NC_Tigah
quote:
1100 felons voted in the 2008 Minnesota election. Franken beat Coleman by 312 votes. Franken's election was responsible for giving Dems a filibuster-proof Senate requisite for Obamacare passage.
The Minnesota voting information you cite was from a book by Hans von Spakovsky, who has a well-deserved reputation for seeing voting fraud under ever bush.
The democrats didn't have a filibuster proof Senate for Obamacare after Kennedy died.
quote:
Let's rephrase, there is no question whatsoever that ILLEGAL VOTING occurs. None! Zip! Nada! There is no question it cost Americans dearly.
Wishful thinking. In the states that did provide voter information, how many cases of voter fraud did the commission document?
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:36 pm to texridder
The Dems had a fillibuster proof majority for over 100!days. Fwiw.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:37 pm to Redleg Guy
quote:No.
Can you not say the states they did investigate do not have a voter fraud problem?
I haven't see any of their conclusions or reports.
quote:I don't know. Can you prove that they didn't find any fraud?
Otherwise why didn't they release something?
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:37 pm to Jbird
quote:
stated the request to you multiple times.
Cool so we can ease up on the election fraud talk now?
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:41 pm to texridder
quote:I don't know and it appears you don't either, yet you assume they found nothing.
In the states that did provide voter information, how many cases of voter fraud did the commission document?
Here's the jist of it. If you believe there's "little to none" voter fraud in the US, you're a disingenuous hack and I won't waist my time discussing anything with you again.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:42 pm to Ebbandflow
quote:You're too stupid, and more importantly disingenuous, so nevermind.
Ebbandflow
I don't debate with retards. Sorry.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:42 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
Maybe nothing was found, but what about the states that wouldn't cooperate? Does absence of voter fraud in some states prove absence of voter fraud in all states?
A completely ridiculous statement. I never said anything close to that.
I did say that Kobach came out and claimed they had evidence of voter fraud in Massachusetts. And nothing became of it. What happened? Why didn't they follow up there?
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:47 pm to texridder
quote:Oh really?
A completely ridiculous statement. I never said anything close to that.
Every fricking lib in here was agreeing that "since nothing was found in these red states, this is a waste of money!"
Have you ever considered that maybe there is no voter fraud in most red states, but rampant voter fraud in a couple of blue or purple states?
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:47 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
I don't know. Can you prove that they didn't find any fraud?
One side claimed there was blatant voter fraud, which should be provable.
The other side claims there was not voter fraud. Asking for that side to prove there was no voter fraud is asking them to prove a negative. It doesn't work that way.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:53 pm to Redleg Guy
quote:Google "voter fraud" and start reading.
One side claimed there was blatant voter fraud, which should be provable.
Once again, if you deny that voter fraud is a serious problem, you're a disingenuous hack and I'll cease wasting my time with you.
If you're too lazy to Google it, read the couple of links I provided in this thread to voter fraud.
This post was edited on 1/3/18 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:54 pm to bhtigerfan
Jesus, another idiot. Sigh
Here:
"Reports of discovery of a database, accessible on the internet, containing voter records of 191 million Americans, has alarmed many privacy advocates and concerned citizens. Yet the most remarkable thing about this database is simply that it’s in a convenient form, or at least convenient for those with just the right technical skills to find and use it.
One thing that is private everywhere: how you voted. The contents of ballots are always secret.
Other voter data is largely a matter of public record. It’s collected for public purposes, not private ones, and there’s no opt-out on sharing this information. Voter records may contain facts about individuals, including…
Name
Street address
Party affiliation
Elections in which you did (or did not) vote
Phone number
Email address
And how can the data be used? While each state sets its own rules, voter data from every state is available for some uses. If you’ve noticed poll watchers at your polling place, you were seeing voter data in action, used by a campaign to keep track of who has and has not voted, to guide phone banks and other efforts to bring out the vote. Many states put no restrictions on use, so voter data may also be used for issue politics, charitable solicitation and commercial marketing.
But voter data records are not necessarily easy for most people to obtain or use. Reaching out to governments for data requires a certain level of know-how just to make the request, let alone to work with large and often complex data files. That’s why specialists, such as GOP Data Center (for Republicans) and NGP VAN (for Democrats) supply data in accessible forms for election campaigns. Political software firm NationBuilder has released a statement acknowledging that some of the data may have come from “data [NationBuilder makes] available for free to campaigns.”
These specialists make it easier for political campaigns to do their work. Effective use of the voter database was a major factor in the 2008 and 2012 Obama for America campaigns. (I wrote more about use of this data by the Obama for America campaign in the book, Data Mining for Dummies. You can find it in many public libraries.)
Voter data vendors don’t want public releases of their databases. They invest in getting the data well-organized to make it available to their clients, not hackers. But movement of data can be hard to control, as this incident, and the recent breach of a Democratic voter database make clear.
President Donald Trump abruptly shut down his signature voter fraud commission on Wednesday and instead kicked the issue to the Department of Homeland Security.
The announcement comes just a week after Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who has been running the commission's day-to-day operations in place of Vice President Mike Pence, its official chairman, said the panel would meet later this month.
Trump formed the commission last May to examine the U.S. electoral system for evidence of large-scale voter fraud. He has claimed, without evidence, that millions of people voted illegally in the 2016 presidential election.
Image: President Donald Trump
Michael Reynolds / EPA file
The commission, formally called the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, has been bedeviled by internal dissension, threats of litigation and the refusal of some states to provide information. Its last known meeting was Sept. 12.
"Despite substantial evidence of voter fraud, many states have refused to provide the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity with basic information relevant to its inquiry," Trump said in a brief statement early Wednesday evening.
"Rather than engage in endless legal battles at taxpayer expense, today I signed an executive order to dissolve the Commission, and have asked the Department of Homeland Security to review these issues and determine next courses of action."
Related: Trump's voter fraud panel has gone dark. Members don't know why.
Homeland Security has already been investigating allegations of Russian tampering with voter registration systems in at least 20 states.
From the beginning, the commission has been heavily criticized for seeking massive amounts of voter data from every state. Many states have refused to cooperate.
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October 2017: Member of Trump's voter fraud panel speaks out
The panel has been sued by civil liberties and privacy rights advocates, including one of its own members, and multiple ethics watchdogs have filed complaints. David Dunn, a Democratic member of the panel, died in October, leaving the group with seven Republicans and four Democrats.
Meanwhile, the Government Accountability Office, or GAO, a federal watchdog agency, said last year that it would investigate the commission's funding, internal operations and handling of tens of millions of sensitive voter files. Trump's statement gave no indication what could happen to the sensitive voter files in the commission's possession, which the GAO said number in the tens of millions.
Related: Meet the bitterly divided members of Trump's vote fraud panel
Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer of New York called the commission "a front to suppress the vote" and to "perpetrate dangerous and baseless claims" on Wednesday night.
"This shows that ill-founded proposals that just appeal to a narrow group of people won't work, and we hope they’ll learn this lesson elsewhere," Schumer said on Twitter.
Kristen Clarke, president of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, a nonprofit advocacy group, also welcomed the news, calling the commission "a vehicle launched for the sole purpose of laying the groundwork to promote voter suppression policies on a national scale."
The Lawyer's Committee brought one of the lawsuits against the commission last year. U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly ordered the commission in December to stop withholding documents from the panel's Democratic members.
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"Today's executive order disbanding the commission is a victory for those who are concerned about ensuring access to the ballot box across the country," Clarke told NBC News.
Here:
"Reports of discovery of a database, accessible on the internet, containing voter records of 191 million Americans, has alarmed many privacy advocates and concerned citizens. Yet the most remarkable thing about this database is simply that it’s in a convenient form, or at least convenient for those with just the right technical skills to find and use it.
One thing that is private everywhere: how you voted. The contents of ballots are always secret.
Other voter data is largely a matter of public record. It’s collected for public purposes, not private ones, and there’s no opt-out on sharing this information. Voter records may contain facts about individuals, including…
Name
Street address
Party affiliation
Elections in which you did (or did not) vote
Phone number
Email address
And how can the data be used? While each state sets its own rules, voter data from every state is available for some uses. If you’ve noticed poll watchers at your polling place, you were seeing voter data in action, used by a campaign to keep track of who has and has not voted, to guide phone banks and other efforts to bring out the vote. Many states put no restrictions on use, so voter data may also be used for issue politics, charitable solicitation and commercial marketing.
But voter data records are not necessarily easy for most people to obtain or use. Reaching out to governments for data requires a certain level of know-how just to make the request, let alone to work with large and often complex data files. That’s why specialists, such as GOP Data Center (for Republicans) and NGP VAN (for Democrats) supply data in accessible forms for election campaigns. Political software firm NationBuilder has released a statement acknowledging that some of the data may have come from “data [NationBuilder makes] available for free to campaigns.”
These specialists make it easier for political campaigns to do their work. Effective use of the voter database was a major factor in the 2008 and 2012 Obama for America campaigns. (I wrote more about use of this data by the Obama for America campaign in the book, Data Mining for Dummies. You can find it in many public libraries.)
Voter data vendors don’t want public releases of their databases. They invest in getting the data well-organized to make it available to their clients, not hackers. But movement of data can be hard to control, as this incident, and the recent breach of a Democratic voter database make clear.
President Donald Trump abruptly shut down his signature voter fraud commission on Wednesday and instead kicked the issue to the Department of Homeland Security.
The announcement comes just a week after Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who has been running the commission's day-to-day operations in place of Vice President Mike Pence, its official chairman, said the panel would meet later this month.
Trump formed the commission last May to examine the U.S. electoral system for evidence of large-scale voter fraud. He has claimed, without evidence, that millions of people voted illegally in the 2016 presidential election.
Image: President Donald Trump
Michael Reynolds / EPA file
The commission, formally called the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity, has been bedeviled by internal dissension, threats of litigation and the refusal of some states to provide information. Its last known meeting was Sept. 12.
"Despite substantial evidence of voter fraud, many states have refused to provide the Presidential Advisory Commission on Election Integrity with basic information relevant to its inquiry," Trump said in a brief statement early Wednesday evening.
"Rather than engage in endless legal battles at taxpayer expense, today I signed an executive order to dissolve the Commission, and have asked the Department of Homeland Security to review these issues and determine next courses of action."
Related: Trump's voter fraud panel has gone dark. Members don't know why.
Homeland Security has already been investigating allegations of Russian tampering with voter registration systems in at least 20 states.
From the beginning, the commission has been heavily criticized for seeking massive amounts of voter data from every state. Many states have refused to cooperate.
advertisement
October 2017: Member of Trump's voter fraud panel speaks out
The panel has been sued by civil liberties and privacy rights advocates, including one of its own members, and multiple ethics watchdogs have filed complaints. David Dunn, a Democratic member of the panel, died in October, leaving the group with seven Republicans and four Democrats.
Meanwhile, the Government Accountability Office, or GAO, a federal watchdog agency, said last year that it would investigate the commission's funding, internal operations and handling of tens of millions of sensitive voter files. Trump's statement gave no indication what could happen to the sensitive voter files in the commission's possession, which the GAO said number in the tens of millions.
Related: Meet the bitterly divided members of Trump's vote fraud panel
Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer of New York called the commission "a front to suppress the vote" and to "perpetrate dangerous and baseless claims" on Wednesday night.
"This shows that ill-founded proposals that just appeal to a narrow group of people won't work, and we hope they’ll learn this lesson elsewhere," Schumer said on Twitter.
Kristen Clarke, president of the Lawyers' Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, a nonprofit advocacy group, also welcomed the news, calling the commission "a vehicle launched for the sole purpose of laying the groundwork to promote voter suppression policies on a national scale."
The Lawyer's Committee brought one of the lawsuits against the commission last year. U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly ordered the commission in December to stop withholding documents from the panel's Democratic members.
advertisement
"Today's executive order disbanding the commission is a victory for those who are concerned about ensuring access to the ballot box across the country," Clarke told NBC News.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:55 pm to Ebbandflow
Many of these records are absentee, which shows who you voted for. The combined effort of all these requests is to map out way to control elections in the future in my opinion. But it doesn't matter because most of the states don't have to comply and more was requested than just basic information
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:58 pm to Ebbandflow
quote:So, you actually learned this just now?
One thing that is private everywhere: how you voted. The contents of ballots are always secret.
Because you stated that "they wanted information on who they voted for in every election".
Posted on 1/3/18 at 10:59 pm to BBONDS25
quote:
The Dems had a fillibuster proof majority for over 100!days. Fwiw.
True. But not in the end when it was passed.
Posted on 1/3/18 at 11:00 pm to bhtigerfan
quote:
, you actually learned this just now?
Because you stated that "they wanted information on who they voted for in every election".
Didn't read all of it did you come a retard. If you had, then you would know that the absentee ballots are also part of the information that was requested
Posted on 1/3/18 at 11:06 pm to Ebbandflow
Well absentee ballots are the preferred way for Dems to cheat.
How do you think all those dead people voted Democrat?
How do you think all those dead people voted Democrat?
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