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re: Video of cop shooting a dude who is in his car.....
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:40 pm to Possumslayer
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:40 pm to Possumslayer
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He doesn’t realize that the cop was defending the citizens of the community from this perp
So that's your broad basis for use of deadly force by police? Drunk drivers endanger citizens of the community as well....put a couple in their head as well?
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you’re not arguing with a lawyer, my guess, the guy that puts sour cream in tacos.
Based on your previous statement, we'll just let this speak for itself.
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Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:42 pm to davyjones
Absolutely..... my dad was killed by a drunk driver.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:44 pm to Possumslayer
And besides, if the drunk is refusing arrest and trying to hit the cop and be a danger to society? You’re not a lawyer.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:44 pm to Possumslayer
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He doesn’t realize that the cop was defending the citizens of the community from this perp.... you’re not arguing with a lawyer, my guess, the guy that puts sour cream in tacos.
Don't blow it, Possumslayer. Dude is in here giving credence to national news agencies regarding this story. You know, because they have had such a sterling track record of exposing police misconduct in similar situations.
What would we have done without national news agencies in Ferguson, and Baltimore, and Dallas, and a dozen other bullshite made-up scenarios they have been using to make their money? Remind you of any other group? Yeah, lawyers.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:45 pm to Possumslayer
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Absolutely..... my dad was killed by a drunk driver.
And Im sorry for your loss but the emotion of that shouldnt lead you to believe that cops should be set up at the exit of bar parking lot shooting those who they suspect of drunk driving.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:45 pm to LukeSidewalker
I'm disappointed that the cop didnt get to unload another clip.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:46 pm to davyjones
Only if they try to run over the cop while resisting arrest..... dumbass
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:47 pm to tketaco
That video is the bomb!
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:47 pm to troyt37
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What would we have done without national news agencies in Ferguson, and Baltimore, and Dallas, and a dozen other bullshite made-up scenarios they have been using to make their money? Remind you of any other group? Yeah, lawyers.
Astonishing. This officer is black....do you see the contrast between those stories and this one? This isn't the overhyped racially charged stories you cited. You dont even know the basic facts yet here you are pontificating.Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:49 pm to troyt37
I know his type...
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:52 pm to davyjones
What does skin color matter? After all he’s another guy in blue killing innocent people!
What was that little chant y’all had about pigs in a blanket?
What was that little chant y’all had about pigs in a blanket?
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:52 pm to Possumslayer
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I know his type...
Im not saying im a genius by any means, far from it....but I am on a higher plane than you.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 2:53 pm
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:55 pm to davyjones
Drugs are bad for you.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:55 pm to davyjones
Graham v. Conor
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Our Fourth Amendment jurisprudence has long recognized that the right to make an arrest or investigatory stop necessary carries with it the right to use some degree of physical coercion or threat thereof to effect it.
So the officer has the power to use force or the threat of force to effect an arrest. Which supports him moving to the front of the vehicle with his gun drawn.
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Because the test of reasonableness under the Fourth Amendment is not capable of precise definition or mechanical application, however, its proper application requires careful attention to the facts and circumstances of each particular case, including the severity of the crime at issue, whether he is actively resisting arrest or attempting to evade arrest by flight
Meets these requirements by severity of crime in that the officer percieves the driver is attempting to assault him with a vehicle
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The "reasonableness" of a particular use of force must be judged from the perspective of a reasonable officer on the scene, rather than with the 20/20 vision of hindsight.
The fact that the vehicle did not hit him is hindsight and moot. It is reasonable for the officer to believe he was endanger of being hit.
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The calculus of reasonableness must embody allowance for the fact that police officers are often forced to make split-second judgements—in circumstances that are tense, uncertain, and rapidly evolving—about the amount of force that is necessary in a particular situation.
Court allows for the fact that it is split second decisions and allows for some mistakes....like bad positioning.
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The "reasonableness inquiry in a excessive force case is an objective one: The question is whether the officer's actions are "objectively reasonable" in light of the facts and circumstances confronting them, without regard to their underlying intent or motivation
Again it is reasonable that he moved to the front of the car with the intent of effecting an arrest and then defended himself when he perceived the threat.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:55 pm to Possumslayer
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What does skin color matter? After all he’s another guy in blue killing innocent people!
What was that little chant y’all had about pigs in a blanket?
That last post you responded to in agreement from the hog....if you can try to find the common theme of those cases he cited then compare/contrast. Perhaps then you might see why I just mentioned race. I cant do all the thinking for you...you must do some on your own.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 2:59 pm to davyjones
All cops are bad...... that’s the theme
Posted on 5/6/19 at 3:00 pm to davyjones
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Astonishing. This officer is black....do you see the contrast between those stories and this one? This isn't the overhyped racially charged stories you cited. You dont even know the basic facts yet here you are pontificating.
I don't give a damn if he's purple, with pink polka-dots. He's a cop, doing a job that would make you shite your pants on a daily basis. And here you are, using his suspension (probably SOP) and the fact that it is being covered by national news agencies to put his decisions in a bad light. And that's apparently (hopefully) after watching a video which plainly shows a criminal who is at best indifferent to the lives of anyone around him, and more than likely actively using his vehicle to run over a cop in the effort to extricate himself from the jam his own fricking criminal activity has him in. Jesus, you seem dense, even for a lawyer.
Posted on 5/6/19 at 3:02 pm to troyt37
Not a lawyer and apparently a closet racist.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 3:03 pm
Posted on 5/6/19 at 3:04 pm to davyjones
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That case doesnt afford any protections to anyon
Incorrect.
It protects the officer from second guessing of his actions with the use of hindsight.
And gives him some protection for mistakes due to split second decisions.
This post was edited on 5/6/19 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 5/6/19 at 3:07 pm to troyt37
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by troyt37
YOU brought those cases up, not me, in response to why this is a national story. Those cases YOU brought up for comparative purposes had as their central theme racial issues. This one does not. So the cases YOU brought up have no comparative value as to WHY ITS A NATIONAL STORY.
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