Ventilators have been a shitty, 20th century "solution" for a long time.....

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Why the hell was Doctor Death Cuomo pushing so hard for ventilators?

Why is the "revelation" that ventilators are not good for patients for more more than a few hours, 19 hours old on Google and likely to pass like a fart in the wind?

Why is the federal government making more ventilators when the research on ICU ventilator patients before the Chinese Commie Cough reads like a book of horrors?

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Do you know what a ventilator is and what it is used for?

It is used when a patient otherwise would die from not being able to breath so the machine can breathe for them.

Sure it is a “crappy” thing, but the people otherwise die.

Contrary to your Q research, you can’t give them a blood transfusion and cure their breathing problems

OP is speaking to the possibility raised online (I know) from one doctor and a research paper saying the issue is the oxygen not binding to the hemoglobin causing hypoxia.

Ventilators are then used to help breathing but that doesn't exactly help oxygen binding so vents are cranked up and over pressured causing Kung tissue damage and patient dies anyway. If they do survive they have lung damage.

This is why they think the malaria drug works. Helps to break down the mechanism that is stopping the RBC from carrying oxygen.

I do not know if this is true, merely starting what I've read. And what I am assuming the OP is referring Tom

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Why is the "revelation" that ventilators are not good for patients for more more than a few hours, 19 hours old on Google and likely to pass like a fart in the wind?

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On admit, the default code status for every patient is "full code" status...do everything possible to keep me alive. The patient gets to make that decision. If the patient is unable to do so then the family can...spouse ranks first, if no spouse then children or legal care giver. If no one is there to decide and the patient is unable to make that decision then you are a full code...if the need arises...you get a vent.

The point is that it doesn't matter if it's a shite choice. The doctor doesn't decide IF someone gets put on a ventilator, he decides WHEN someone gets put on a ventilator. If it's impending respiratory failure and then death without a ventilator or a ventilator for some time and then organ failure and death, with either being 100% the likely outcome...without a DNR...you're getting a ventilator.

I've seen a lot of 75+ year olds with terminal CA spend the last 2-3 months on a ventilator because the family wouldn't let them go. It's a miserable thing to see...more for the patient.

Cuomo's crying for 30-40k ventilators was his having a panic attack when he thought what it would look like, and what it would do for his political career, if he ran out. Personally I think it made him look like a huge dumbass.

You do realize that patients are put on vents everyday that are not coding right...

Ever see a by-pass pt right out of surgery..?

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I've seen a lot of 75+ year olds with terminal CA spend the last 2-3 months on a ventilator because the family wouldn't let them go. It's a miserable thing to see...more for the patient.

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Yeah me too... Blame the Docs and the family.... I’ve actually heard a doc, who is probably the biggest shite head in the hospital, tell a nurse, “I don’t make money taking care of dead people”.

I’ve seen a woman’s husband rescind her DNR status on his 82 y/o wife with pancreatic ca because he couldn’t “let go”. Poor woman basically rotted from the inside out... It’s a very selfish act.

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Can I mark you down in the absolutely no vent column if you get sick?

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I’m sure his living will is fresh off the printer, and has a plan drawn up for his advanced directives ...

It’s crazy how this anti Obamacare board is trying to ration the care and advocating possibly getting into a situation where care would have to be rationed and arbitrarily pulling granny off a vent

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Cuomo's crying for 30-40k ventilators was his having a panic attack when he thought what it would look like, and what it would do for his political career

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Yeah - up to that point (I had been paying attention to him for a about a week) I thought he was a calming voice and admired his delivery of the facts.

When he went full scale = "What good is 400 vents when I need 40,000" that just make no sense to my layman's mind and I quit singing his praises - that put an entirely different image of his ultimate objectives in my mind. Still he is better than some.

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I should not have assumed that everyone knew that.

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yeah - for the DEM-bots here, every phrase you utter has to contain all imagined interpretations from demented minds - You have to talk so that is sounds like a real estate transaction, where every single word or phrase is pre-defined and absolutely stated as to its historical or future interpretation.

Meanwhile, THEY get to wax eloquent with - "TRUMP SUCKS!!!" with no explanation provided, or even expected.

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Poor woman basically rotted from the inside out.

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and you think that wouldn't have happened if they had let her die sooner?

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I think the biggest fear of any hospital in all of this was to have a 30 or 40 year old come in and temporarily need a vent and have to arbitrarily take a 85 year old off the vent against their wishes but it seems like many on this board such as OP seem to have a philosophy of vent for me no vent for thee.

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This seemed like a legitimate fear for a short time, but thankfully it has proven statistically unfounded. So, what exactly are you arguing here?