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re: Utah Republican Senator Mike Lee Introduces Bill to Outlaw All Porn Nationwide
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:33 pm to Pettifogger
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:33 pm to Pettifogger
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Well if that's your category then get after it, I guess.
Already on it.
Easy enough when the opposition is "authoritarian when we like it."
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Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:35 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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You like conservative ideas when they suit you, but ultimately, you just want your way like a toddler.
No, I’m a conservative. I just don’t believe simplistic things like “conservatives are always against government intervention” and “conservativism is just about lower taxes.”
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:35 pm to NorthGwinnettTiger
quote:Democrats do this all the time. The bill they just pushed through to recognize homosexual "marriage" is a social issue that if the Republicans did the same thing but in reverse, people like you would say it's a waste of time and would ruin chances for election.
This is the shite that keeps republicans from dominating elections. Focusing on stupid shite.
The primary issue I have here is that Republicans can't push anything through that isn't related to lowering taxes or improving the economy. If they run on social issues, people like you say it'll kill their chances of being elected. If they get elected and then try to push it through, you say it'll ruin their chances of being re-elected.
What's the point of being in governance if you can't govern by your principles? The Dems run on their platform and then try to implement it when they're in control. I think they're evil, but at least they try to govern in accordance to what they believe is right. Why run as a Republican if all you're allowed to do is act like a Democrat?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:36 pm to the808bass
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No, I’m a conservative.
No, you aren't. You're entirely fine with government intervention when you agree with the behavior it enforces.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:41 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
No. I’m in favor of government intervention which supports the traditional social institutions.
It’s not just “my preference.” You can say that when you’re a godless moron. But if you had any of the sense left which the Creator endeavored to bestow upon you, you would understand it’s not about “what do I get to do,” but rather about “what I ought to do.” A government calling its people to their highest and best isn’t a bad thing.
It’s not just “my preference.” You can say that when you’re a godless moron. But if you had any of the sense left which the Creator endeavored to bestow upon you, you would understand it’s not about “what do I get to do,” but rather about “what I ought to do.” A government calling its people to their highest and best isn’t a bad thing.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:45 pm to the808bass
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No. I’m in favor of government intervention which supports the traditional social institutions.
It’s not just “my preference.” You can say that when you’re a godless moron. But if you had any of the sense left which the Creator endeavored to bestow upon you, you would understand it’s not about “what do I get to do,” but rather about “what I ought to do.” A government calling its people to their highest and best isn’t a bad thing.
Keep making it easy for me, Dr. Oz.
"I'm a conservative, but..." is a pretty stupid argument, even for you, to use for why you're really a conservative after all.
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A government calling its people to their highest and best isn’t a bad thing.
Sure, assuming it's your personal flavor of "highest and best." When it isn't, you whine about it.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:47 pm to FooManChoo
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but at least they try to govern in accordance to what they believe is right
I disagree with you because your statement leaves room for the possibility that the Left acts out on the good intentions of their heart. One has to consider the possibility that they intentionally govern in accordance to their so-called principles in full knowledge that it is evil to satisfy their selfish agendas. Even though this can be applicable for both the Left and the Right, at least the Right has access to Scripture to which they can anchor their policies as a basis.
The Leftist ideology caters alone to self-indulgence and self-justification. The concept of imago Dei is entirely foreign to them.
Of course I am speaking to the majority, not the exception where you have idiots who are so morally bankrupt that they can't tell their left from their right (no pun intended) and right from wrong and are operating out of complete ignorance.
This post was edited on 12/16/22 at 2:55 pm
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:47 pm to FooManChoo
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If they run on social issues, people like you say it'll kill their chances of being elected. If they get elected and then try to push it through, you say it'll ruin their chances of being re-elected.
Social issues should always be local and state, not federal.
I'd be content if all the Feds did was print money (conservatively) and defend the borders.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:48 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Easy enough when the opposition is "authoritarian when we like it."
Apparently not, because you're getting your arse handed to you by one of the variants of "authoritarian when we like it" already and have been for several decades.
What's the last major ideological victory for your side?
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:49 pm to Pettifogger
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Apparently not, because you're getting your arse handed to you by one of the variants of "authoritarian when we like it" already and have been for several decades.
Who?
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What's the last major ideological victory for your side?
What is "my side?"
808 didn't know what he was talking about. Maybe you do.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:50 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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No, you aren't. You're entirely fine with government intervention when you agree with the behavior it enforces.
Even "small government conservatism" in practice didn't/doesn't align with what you're advocating. It's genuinely never reflected your belief system, which appears to be just straight up classical liberalism.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:51 pm to Pettifogger
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Even "small government conservatism" in practice didn't/doesn't align with what you're advocating. It's genuinely never reflected your belief system, which appears to be just straight up classical liberalism.
Before we go too far, explain "small government conservatism."
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:52 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Who?
Who what? The neutrality-as-ideology movement (ie, conservatives of the last 20 years) are getting torched in every meaningful category.
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What is "my side?"
If it's the "small government conservative" side, which you appear to be advocating for (even though as noted I think you're a libertarian in substance) - what are your wins? If you disclaim those labels that's fine, but plant your flag and tell me how it's going for you.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:53 pm to Pettifogger
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Who what?
What I fricking quoted, bro.
JFC.
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If it's the "small government conservative" side
Nope.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:54 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Before we go too far, explain "small government conservatism."
It's a term you provided I'm reading back to you. I can give my interpretation of what I assume you mean, but that sounds like a waste of time.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:55 pm to Pettifogger
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It's a term you provided I'm reading back to you. I can give my interpretation of what I assume you mean, but that sounds like a waste of time.
It's a term you reused to make a point:
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Even "small government conservatism" in practice didn't/doesn't align with what you're advocating. It's genuinely never reflected your belief system, which appears to be just straight up classical liberalism.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:55 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
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Nope.
Ok, well you just advocated for "small government conservatism" and now you're claiming that's not your side.
I'm not trying to trick you here, but at the same time I don't want to go 9 rounds with a dude who is going to disclaim a position he just appeared to endorse.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:57 pm to DisplacedBuckeye
If you disagree, by all means, point me to the era in which the position you're advocated for was in practice.
I have no interest in trying to semantically entrap you here. If your position/view is accurately reflected by some era of American governance/politics, identify it. If it's not been put in practice yet in a meaningful way, just say so.
I have no interest in trying to semantically entrap you here. If your position/view is accurately reflected by some era of American governance/politics, identify it. If it's not been put in practice yet in a meaningful way, just say so.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:57 pm to Pettifogger
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Ok, well you just advocated for "small government conservatism" and now you're claiming that's not your side
This...
"I'd settle for "small government conservative" to be more than a talking point."
...is what I said. That doesn't mean I box myself into a singular idea.
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I'm not trying to trick you here, but at the same time I don't want to go 9 rounds with a dude who is going to disclaim a position he just appeared to endorse.
"Appeared" is your issue. Your assumptions aren't my problem.
Posted on 12/16/22 at 2:58 pm to Pettifogger
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If you disagree, by all means, point me to the era in which the position you're advocated for was in practice.
I have no interest in trying to semantically entrap you here. If your position/view is accurately reflected by some era of American governance/politics, identify it. If it's not been put in practice yet in a meaningful way, just say so.
You made the point. I'd like to know what you meant by it.
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