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re: U.S. and Israel reach joint plan to counter Iran
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:57 pm to CajunSoldier225
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:57 pm to CajunSoldier225
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I disagreed with your supply route suggestion.
That aid gives us a supply route?
Early on that money ensured that a reasonable number of our trucks made it across the border.
They'd still blow up a couple, but that helped to justify their protection fees.
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:00 pm to Tiguar
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:01 pm to Lima Whiskey
Maybe. But our policy is backwards there.
We can’t engage from Afghanistan into Pakistan. Essentially, you have LOC’s you cannot maintain or secure.
Our tax dollars bought us what, IED laiden supply routes? TF kind of investment is that?
Again, I’m not en expert there. You may have an Intel background that has sauces.
We can’t engage from Afghanistan into Pakistan. Essentially, you have LOC’s you cannot maintain or secure.
Our tax dollars bought us what, IED laiden supply routes? TF kind of investment is that?
Again, I’m not en expert there. You may have an Intel background that has sauces.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:02 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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That is exactly what I mean. A vast majority of Arab militaries are abysmal....which might be putting it lightly. They frickING SUCK. Their equipment is crappy and not maintained. Their troops show no discipline. And their leaders are there due to nepotism and could give two shits about anything but their own well being.
And they're bad because they're Arabs?
Look at what the Syrian Arab Army has done in Syria. They're plenty capable. Look at what Hezbollah has done.
Although plenty of Lebanese and Syrians will tell you they're not Arabs, so perhaps your point stands.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:05 pm to Lakeboy7
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2006 Incursion into Lebanon
I have never seen a number that high, where did you pull it from?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:07 pm to CajunSoldier225
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Our tax dollars bought us what, IED laiden supply routes? TF kind of investment is that?
It was a pretty terrible deal.
They would have closed the roads without that money though, and they we would have been stuck with air supply, which couldn't support our footprint, and the northern route.
We needed Pakistan, and they knew it.
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We can’t engage from Afghanistan into Pakistan. Essentially, you have LOC’s you cannot maintain or secure.
It's a bad situation, and its the same problem the Soviets had. They couldn't go across the border to deal with the jihadis we supported.
At least until the end of the war, and they blew up an ammo dump or two - to make a point.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:11 pm to Lima Whiskey
More than half of all supplies are brought in by air. LOGPAC’s then move them out. Most remote locations, prior to 31 December 2013, received their LOGPAC’s via air drop from LSA’s.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:11 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Look at what the Syrian Arab Army has done in Syria. They're plenty capable. Look at what Hezbollah has done.
Seriously? Syria initially wasn’t fighting a legit trained and equipped foe. They first fought rag tag rebels with loosely coordinated C2 and then ISIS. As for Hezbollah they are not exactly a traditional military and are more a State within a State.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 8:12 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:13 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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’all live in some fantasy land thinking Wahhabism is on the decline
Muh Wahhabism!!
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:27 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Seriously?
100%
They're good.
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Hezbollah they are not exactly a traditional military
In August of 2006, you could say that they had the best light infantry army in the region.
It's a little more complicated now. They're operating an armored brigade in Syria, and they've participated in everything from airborne assaults, to SAR missions. That combined arms experience is invaluable, and they've probably learned a lot from the Syrians and the Russians.
They'll be a really nasty foe when the next war happens, and you'll probably have to deal with both Hezbollah and the SAA, simultaneously, which would be unpleasant.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 8:30 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:34 pm to Lima Whiskey
Hezbollah got their asses whipped by the Israelis in ‘06.
Great trolling tonight baw.
Great trolling tonight baw.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:36 pm to CajunSoldier225
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Hezbollah got their asses whipped by the Israelis in ‘06.
Oh wow
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:37 pm to SDVTiger
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Muh Wahhabism!
You are a pathetic frick
Wahhabism has killed thousands of Americans
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:43 pm to CajunSoldier225
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Hezbollah got their asses whipped by the Israelis in ‘06.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:46 pm to CajunSoldier225
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Hezbollah got their asses whipped by the Israelis in ‘06.
I guess someone wasn’t paying attention during intel briefings
Posted on 12/28/17 at 8:52 pm to CajunSoldier225
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Hezbollah got their asses whipped by the Israelis in ‘06.
The best Hezbollah units were held in reserve. Hezbollah's leadership was confident, but they didn't know what to expect. Would their defenses work? How would their front line units perform?
Oddly enough, those elite reserves were all deployed around the Litani, which is where Israel wanted to do a massive airborne insertion in those last days of the war.
It would have been a bloody, bloody, disaster for the IDF.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 9:00 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 9:07 pm to Lima Whiskey
Depends on how you look at the conflict.
IDF always wanted to engage and destroy targets (personnel, equipment, infrastructure) without taking ownership of Land.
The IDF accomplished that along with a controlled retrograde through a mobile defense.
IDF always wanted to engage and destroy targets (personnel, equipment, infrastructure) without taking ownership of Land.
The IDF accomplished that along with a controlled retrograde through a mobile defense.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 9:07 pm to Lima Whiskey
The 2006 Incursion/War was more a failure of leadership at the highest levels than anything else. Israel, lead by Sharron, were still smarting from the stigma of allowing the Refugee Camp Massacre had soften his once hardline approach. The IDF did not plan for a war on their Northern border, had slashed budgets and had let readiness slip dramatically. It is as if they went at it like a raid instead of all out intense ground combat. Eventually they had to petition the U.N. which was utter humiliation to them.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 9:09 pm to CajunSoldier225
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IDF always wanted to engage and destroy targets (personnel, equipment, infrastructure) without taking ownership of Land. The IDF accomplished that along with a controlled retrograde through a mobile defense.
I would submit the IDF had no real plan. It was a true knee jerk reaction that ended with egg all over their faces.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 9:17 pm to ABearsFanNMS
They didn’t just pop smoke and exfil to their 6.
It was a controlled plan with armor and air involvement. Prior to that they did get into Hezbollah’s territory and perform movement to contact. I’m not saying they didn’t take their licks as well. They sure as hell did.
But you never saw Hezbollah organize their assets and maneuver into Israel in that fashion. Not yet, anyways.
I don’t know what their operations order was, though.
It was a controlled plan with armor and air involvement. Prior to that they did get into Hezbollah’s territory and perform movement to contact. I’m not saying they didn’t take their licks as well. They sure as hell did.
But you never saw Hezbollah organize their assets and maneuver into Israel in that fashion. Not yet, anyways.
I don’t know what their operations order was, though.
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