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re: U.S. and Israel reach joint plan to counter Iran
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:40 pm to Perfect Circle
Posted on 12/28/17 at 5:40 pm to Perfect Circle
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Isn't Iran a leading state sponsor of terrorism?
Regionally yes but with the right strategy you can keep it localized.
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Do you think the recent "purge" in KSA results in a crackdown on wahabbism?
At first glance maybe but way to early to let our guard down.
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Posted on 12/28/17 at 6:07 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Have you ever trained with the IDF? Do you think Hezbollah would have given them any trouble if they were not concerned about “collateral damages” to the Lebanese population?
It’s bc they can’t sustain long term operations bc they get stretched to thin very easily
Posted on 12/28/17 at 6:38 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Saudi Arabia is a bigger threat to our country than Iran.
No. No they aren't.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 6:40 pm to bencoleman
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No. No they aren't.
What brand of Islam did the latest terrorist in NYC practice
Posted on 12/28/17 at 6:44 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Have you ever trained with the IDF? Do you think Hezbollah would have given them any trouble if they were not concerned about “collateral damages” to the Lebanese population?
Do you know what IDF stands for?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 6:51 pm to StraightCashHomey21
We've had this conversation on this board before. We're not going to pal up with iran. SA is handling their business concerning wahhabi extremism. It's over. Hezbollah can't beat Israel to think otherwise is fantasy. Hezbollah's days are numbered anyway. It's a brave new world that we're living in. One drastically different from even a year ago.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:00 pm to bencoleman
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SA is handling their business concerning wahhabi extremism.
The Afghan Civil War began in the early seventies, it began as the modernists in Kabul attempted to root out traditional culture in the name of progress.
That war hasn't ended.
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Hezbollah can't beat Israel to think otherwise is fantasy. Hezbollah's days are numbered anyway.
I'm sorry, but that's truly precious.
Do you actually believe that?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:04 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Have you ever trained with the IDF?
The IDF just isn't very good.
That's the unfortunate truth. You have special operations units that are capable, but as an army? They've got issues.
Their conscripts are poorly trained, badly disciplined, and can't even be relied on to show up. They can't operate for more than 30 days either, due to the damage that call ups cause to the economy. The IDF doesn't have career NCOS either, which is beyond belief, to me at least.
The IDF can keep the Palestinians down, but they're going to have serious trouble with any reasonably capable force. The SAA would probably give them fits for example.
That's why they lost the July War. The Hezbollah units were, man for man, better trained, and better led.
The complicated network of fixed fortifications was also major factor.
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Do you think Hezbollah would have given them any trouble if they were not concerned about “collateral damages” to the Lebanese population?
The Israelis don't care about collateral damage.
They just don't.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 7:43 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:06 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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And stops living off handouts from the US taxpayers
Can Pakistan do the same, then?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:07 pm to CajunSoldier225
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Can Pakistan do the same, then?
That's more of a bribe, I suppose.
I'm not sure what it buys though.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:09 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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Prepare for downvotes and pro Saudi bullshite
I live to fight.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:13 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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I agree to a degree, we need to keep Israel on a leash because they could ignite WWIII if the hardliners had their way.
I don't think our aid buys us much control. They believe obligations, any obligation, threaten their independence, and in turn their security. They would rebuff our interference as a matter of principle.
Which I get, and it is the right move for them. They should be looking after their own interests, not bending to our will.
The problem is that they haven't been the best stewards of their own interests.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:13 pm to StraightCashHomey21
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It’s bc they can’t sustain long term operations bc they get stretched to thin very easily
That is if they didn’t call up their reservist. I will say their is nothing sexier than to see a hot chick walking down the street of Tel Aviv to go to “drill” with a Prada purse on one arm and an Uzi on the other.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:14 pm to Lima Whiskey
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The IDF just isn't very good.
That's the unfortunate truth. You have special operations units that are capable, but as an army? They've got issues.
Their conscripts are poorly trained, and can't be relied on to show up. They can't operate for more than 30 days either, due to the damage that call ups cause to the economy. The IDF doesn't have career NCOS either, which is beyond belief, to me at least.
Do you think this is because they're just not hungry like they were in the 60s and 70s? They seem to have enjoyed decades of peace with their neighbors and backing by the UN/US. Perhaps they've just become complacent.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:15 pm to upgrayedd
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Do you know what IDF stands for?
No, I haven’t a clue especially since I was in Israel during the 2nd Infitada
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:17 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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I will say their is nothing sexier than to see a hot chick walking down the street of Tel Aviv to go to “drill” with a Prada purse on one arm and an Uzi on the other.
Uzi?
How long ago was that?
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:18 pm to Lima Whiskey
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Lima Whiskey
Dude just stop. You act like you are comparing them to the US Army or Marines. They are fighting Arab neighbors. Maybe you need review history about how they have fricked up their neighbors.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:19 pm to upgrayedd
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Do you think this is because they're just not hungry like they were in the 60s and 70s?
Perhaps? I couldn't say that though - I don't know that.
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The IDF has structural problems. It's designed to be affordable, at the cost of effectiveness. The number of ex servicemen, men who fought in WW2, probably masked this problem in the early years.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 7:30 pm
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:23 pm to Lima Whiskey
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That's more of a bribe, I suppose.
Gotcha.
Giving money to an allied nation, bad.
Giving money to a Taliban nation as a bribe,
FWIW, I agree with DJT reducing funding for the UN. Hopefully he starts yanking back on Pakistan.
Posted on 12/28/17 at 7:27 pm to ABearsFanNMS
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Dude just stop. You act like you are comparing them to the US Army or Marines. They are fighting Arab neighbors. Maybe you need review history about how they have fricked up their neighbors.
The danger with true belief is that it colors your vision, till you can't see things as they are.
It's not the story of one side domination, if you look at the IDF over the last 30 years, it a story of decline relative to Israels neighbors.
They don't have an answer to Hezbollah right now, and that's just the truth - and there probably isn't answer. There's no way to break those defense lines, and there's no way to stop those rockets from raining down on Israel.
It's a war they can't win.
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You act like you are comparing them to the US Army or Marines.They are fighting Arab neighbors.
Your racism is subtle.
This post was edited on 12/28/17 at 7:29 pm
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