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US Air Force officially OKs beards, turbans, hijabs for religious reasons

Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:58 am
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 2/16/20 at 7:58 am
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Not sure I feel about this one. I don’t feel any change in uniform from any religion is a good idea. The military is a uniform service that is supposed to have everyone dressing the same and looking the same. The beards will keep a gas mask from properly sealing. How will a Jewish soldier react if he sees or has to report to a superior wearing a turban? I don’t know. I hope it works out but it’s a heck of a lot easier to make everyone dress the same if they want to serve.
Posted by TigerMuskyFanMinneso
Boonies, MN
Member since Sep 2019
753 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:00 am to
But chaplains cannot mention Christ in their preaching and praying!!

Bull crap on the new rules re uniforms - sheer hypocrisy re "tolerance"

Posted by Redbonebandit
Member since Dec 2019
1061 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:01 am to
Utter foolishness, cant wait for the cries of discrimination when some Air Force unit gets hit with gas and those clowns with beards cant get a proper seal on their gas mask.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
66763 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:05 am to
Seems like using the military is the wrong place for social experiments.
Posted by Paddyshack
Land of the Free
Member since Sep 2015
8345 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:21 am to
Who in the hell actually passes/votes/allows this type of shite?
Posted by Flats
Member since Jul 2019
21804 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:24 am to
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Who in the hell actually passes/votes/allows this type of shite?



Obama didn’t ignore the military during his “fundamental transformation”. Quite the opposite.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
34222 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:24 am to
I am against this.

Uniformity is important in my view. Some may argue that by not allowing a turbin/beard etc., it creates a policy of exclusion. My take...such is life...get over it.
One of the 10 commandments is "Thou shalt not kill," which may be counter to reality at times in the military. Get over it.

In short, killing goes against core Christian doctrine. You want to be Christian and serve, cool...just know that you may have to disobey your moral compass so others of your faith (who didn't serve) won't have to.

You know...sacrifice.

This personal (moral) sacrifice should apply to Sikhs, Jews, Hindus, Buddhists, and Muslims.
It is what it is. Shame on the Air Force for codifying division.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 12:39 pm
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:24 am to
I know how I feel about it. It’s utter BS. Wish we could hit the reset button.
Posted by MeatCleaverWeaver
Member since Oct 2013
22175 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:25 am to
Can Orthodox Jews wear their long locks? How bout a Rasta and dreadlocks? Let’s do it for everybody
Posted by ArmyHogs
Your mom's house
Member since Feb 2012
9256 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:31 am to
Not sure how I feel but the whole can’t seal a gas mask with facial hair argument is extremely outdated and irrelevant
Posted by jlc05
Member since Nov 2005
32891 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:31 am to
Guarantee it won’t go over well with the rank and file
Posted by Friscodog
Frisco, TX
Member since Jul 2009
4474 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:31 am to
Didn't click on the link, but as someone stated earlier, I find it interesting that they are allowing this because for pilots, oxygen masks will not get a good seal over beards. This is why fire fighters, commercial airline pilots, etc. do not have beards.
Posted by The Maj
Member since Sep 2016
27161 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:33 am to
The military has been and continues to be a big social experiment... I saw where the Army gave a soldier the right to wear a beard because he practiced paganism the other day...
Posted by BRgetthenet
Member since Oct 2011
117723 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:34 am to
Posted by CU_Tigers4life
Georgia
Member since Aug 2013
7512 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:44 am to
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Can Orthodox Jews wear their long locks? How bout a Rasta and dreadlocks? Let’s do it for everybody




L'Chaim
Posted by tidalmouse
Whatsamotta U.
Member since Jan 2009
30706 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:48 am to
Well,the Army pays for sex changes.

Our own government is trying to normalize all this bullshite.

Our government seems to be willing and ready to appease everyone except "normal" Americans.

People may have different views on what "normal" is;I've got my view also.

What I viewed as "normal" as a child has not changed.

Society has changed.I have not.
Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
26784 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 8:50 am to
Makes it easier to know which ones are plants
Posted by 3nOut
Central Texas, TX
Member since Jan 2013
28939 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 9:18 am to
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But chaplains cannot mention Christ in their preaching and praying


I don’t know if that’s a per branch policy but I know a Baptist chaplain in the Army and he says he gets to minister and speak according to the religion that sent him freely. I asked that specific question and he said he feels no pressure to appeal to all religions.

That being said he’s in red AF Fort Hood so they may play loose with the rules.
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 9:19 am
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
Member since Oct 2006
39584 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 9:23 am to
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The beards will keep a gas mask from properly sealing.


This makes me curious.

What do countries that have most of their military with this religious requirement do?

Do they just accept these guys are screwed in a gas attack or do they not even have gas masks in the first place because they can't afford them?
This post was edited on 2/16/20 at 9:24 am
Posted by IslandBuckeye
Boca Chica, Panama
Member since Apr 2018
10067 posts
Posted on 2/16/20 at 9:30 am to
When Christians prayed in school, the Left complained about separating church and state.

Now it dose not matter to them.

Overall, like many above, it is not a huge deal. But also as above, uniforms are to promote uniformity and sense of team. The protective mask issues may also present a problem in certain environments where it matters.
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