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re: UPDATED List of FUBARs Leading Up To The Assassination Attempt(s):
Posted on 7/24/24 at 2:50 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Posted on 7/24/24 at 2:50 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Not sure that makes sense. If all he wanted to do was shoot a bunch of Trump supporters he’d have stayed in the woods off to the side and just opened up.
But that’s what theories are for.
It doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. The only reason he would risk exposing himself on the rooftop would be to have a clear shot at Trump.
If I'm gonna go to a rally with a crowd of ten thousand people, and spray that crowd with bullets, then I'm gonna leave my rangefinder at home.
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Posted on 7/25/24 at 4:18 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Pennsylvania Police Commander Provides More Details on Trump Rally Shooting: A State Police colonel testifying before a House panel gave more answers about security for the rally than the Secret Service director had, but raised more questions….
New revealed FUBAR:
The Butler County DA — who oversees the Butler County E.S.U. tactical team — disputes the Pennsylvania State Police Chief’s testimony that the E.S.U. officers abandoned their post to pursue the “suspicious” character. According to the DA, one of the E.S.U. snipers remained in place at their assigned 2nd floor window observation post while the other went to investigate the person of interest.
When the investigating sniper returned, the person observed had by then apparently moved out of sight from the observation point manned by the Butler County tactical team. If the following claims are true, this seems to indicate that the window observation post manned by the Butler County tactical unit was not the same window with a line of sight matching that of the sniper.
This critical observation point — seen in the video posted by Congressman Eli Crane in the X feed embedded above — offered a clear view of the sloped roof where the gunman ultimately fired his rifle. Who was in that room and how did the sniper procure this shooting position unnoticed?
Butler County DA pushes back against Trump shooting testimony from Pennsylvania state police commissioner: Butler County District Attorney Richard Goldinger refuted some of Pennsylvania State Police Col Christopher Paris' testimony…
In a press release Wednesday, Butler County District Attorney Richard Goldinger attempted to clarify the succession of events following Pennsylvania State Police (PSP) Col. Christopher Paris' congressional testimony.
Paris said Tuesday that in a meeting before the shooting, "We were told that Butler [Emergency Services Unit] ESU was responsible for that area, by several Secret Service agents on that walk-through," referencing the building from where Thomas Crooks took shots at the former president.
Paris said it was his understanding that ESU officers left their post to look for a suspicious person. He said he was not sure if those officers could have seen Crooks if they had stayed at their post.
Goldinger said that Paris' testimony "misstated" local law enforcement's response after snipers first spotted Crooks 20 minutes prior to the shooting.
The district attorney said that the two snipers snapped a picture of the "suspicious individual" who was seated outside the American Glass Research complex and circulated it along with noting that he was a "suspicious individual" to the command center for the Secret Service and the PSP.
The press release said that "at some point," Crooks got up and moved to the other side of the building, prompting local law enforcement to move within the building in an "attempt to keep eyes" on the suspect.
Goldinger said that one officer remained in their position on the second floor of the building, despite the second officer following Crooks outside.
The other sniper, who dashed outside to pursue Crooks, returned to their post after unsuccessfully trying to find him.
"Neither officer could see Crooks on the other building due to the visual angle they had from their location to Crooks' location," the press release said.
Goldinger said that local law enforcement officers were at their predetermined posts when gunfire broke out.
"Their post was the building," he said in the press release. "While one of the officers did leave the building briefly, it was in response to a suspicious person who had not encountered law enforcement despite them notifying other law enforcement of the suspicious person. Even so, that officer returned to the post, and the post was never left vacant as the other officer remained in the building….
This post was edited on 7/25/24 at 4:31 pm
Posted on 7/25/24 at 4:48 pm to Plx1776
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He was allowed to try and take trump out. And then he was taken out to tie up loose ends. That's the only reason I can think of... for the counter sniper not taking him out immediately... and allowing him to get multiple shots off.
I lean quite heavily in this direction.
But more than afford some random someone a chance, I think Crooks was recruited at some level to do the job. And once Crooks went in, there was no backing out (like we will kill your family). And from the start, they knew Crooks would be killed once he tried so he couldn't sing.
Because his parents tried to intervene at 3PM, they knew or suspected something was afoot.
Posted on 7/25/24 at 4:50 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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The 2nd floor office warehouse with windows overlooking the rooftop where the shooter took his shots had a wholly unobstructed view of the sniper’s ultimate position.
I find it incredulous that we are expected to believe that NO ONE was left at this critical post?
Again, incompetence alone can’t account for this.
Beyond Incompetence.
Great work Toomer!
Posted on 7/25/24 at 5:03 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Since ongoing fubars are being found out daily, why isn’t this thread stickied?
Good job OP
Good job OP
Posted on 7/26/24 at 6:06 am to Toomer Deplorable
A followup to the discussion about the window overlooking the roof: the image below offers a good view of the various positions of the windows on the 2nd floor of the office-warehouse building behind the rooftop where the shooter fired.
Again, what agency was in the red circled office window immediately behind the position where the shooter fired his shots?
Again, what agency was in the red circled office window immediately behind the position where the shooter fired his shots?
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If tweet fails to load, click here. Posted on 7/26/24 at 6:06 am to idlewatcher
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I know the majority here are aware that simply because the USSS director resigned, this matter is far from resolved. And in the 24 hour news cycle, it is easy to move on to the latest scandal in the Potomac Beltway — indeed scandal fatigue & overload certainly plays to the Swamp’s advantage:
Yet we need to make a concerted effort to keep this story front and center while continuing to put pressure on our elected officials to demand answers for this orchestrated failure. Who in Congress is demanding answer to these questions?
Per usual, this Congressional Inquiry — like all inquiries into Deep State malfeasance— is looking more and more like a coverup to construct a predetermined narrative. What we are witnessing now is indeed Congressional Incompetence:
Congressional Incompetence In The Trump-Shooting Investigation…
Members of Congress are besides themselves over the testimony of Secret Service Director Kimberly Cheatle regarding the near-assassination of former president Trump. They are upset that Cheatle was unable to provide them with adequate explanations as to what appears to be incompetence at best and willful blindness, conscious indifference, or complicity at worst on the part of the Secret Service.
But if incompetence is the right explanation, it is matched by the incompetence of Congress in its supposed investigation into the shooting. After all, Cheatle wasn’t even there. Therefore, anything to which she testifies is necessarily based on nothing more than what others have told her. How is that type of testimony supposed to get to the bottom of what actually happened? It’s not.
If Congress really wants to determine what happened and why, it should subpoena every single Secret Service agent and every single police officer on duty that day. Take the sworn testimony of all of them. Don’t let any of them sit inside the chamber and listen to what other witnesses are saying. Then put all that sworn testimony together and see if there are any contractions, anomalies, etc. If there are, then follow up on them.
That’s the only way for Congress to determine whether the facts and circumstances go beyond incompetence and cross the line into conscious indifference, willful blindness, or complicity.
…My prediction? Cheatle will be made a sacrificial lamb and be forced to resign, and the Trump shooting will be blamed on incompetence. The congressional “investigation” into the shooting will be over. Most everyone in Washington, D.C., will be satisfied.
Posted on 7/27/24 at 4:02 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Posted on 7/27/24 at 4:22 pm to Toomer Deplorable
If you have 45 minutes of spare time - this video explains EVERYTHING
Posted on 7/27/24 at 4:29 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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…My prediction? Cheatle will be made a sacrificial lamb and be forced to resign, and the Trump shooting will be blamed on incompetence. The congressional “investigation” into the shooting will be over. Most everyone in Washington, D.C., will be satisfied.
This was from 7/23/24. He (Hornberger) got the cheatle-head part right.
And I agree, she took the fall and the investigation will write this off as incompetence, i.e., "mistakes were made, cheatle-head has been replaced, and this won't ever happen again."
Posted on 7/27/24 at 7:09 pm to FLTech
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Youtube Link
Johnson raises many good questions — thanks for the link. I have read many a post by Johnson on X but I had never watched his podcast: it was very interesting and informative.
Any such discussion will of course be derided by the usual suspects on this board as tin-foil conspiracy talk yet what Johnson does is mainly ask basic questions about the repeated security lapses. For instance, how did the shooter enter the security perimeter after being earlier denied entry for his “suspicious” behavior?
What behavior specifically made LEA think Crooks was acting “suspicious”? Does body-cam footage of that encounter exist?
Further, who in USSS chain of command made the decision not to use surveillance drones at this large outdoor rally? If drones had been present, the local police who were tracking Crooks on foot would not have lost him.
Someone not only made that decision, they further declined local local police offer of such surveillance. Who was it and on what basis did they justify that decision?
Posted on 7/27/24 at 7:39 pm to Toomer Deplorable
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Toomer Deplorable
Many thanks for your labors here.
Maybe it's already in this thread, but what happened to the call where Crooks' parents reported him missing? How did that get handled and routed? Any other instances of them reporting him missing? ETA: see where Bass Tiger noted this on p. 1.
Without going back to look, why were the voice recordings of the comm channels not made? That would seem to be an SOP.
This post was edited on 7/27/24 at 7:48 pm
Posted on 7/28/24 at 5:12 pm to AlwysATgr
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Without going back to look, why were the voice recordings of the comm channels not made? That would seem to be an SOP.
Think this needs to be added in the OP - see today's stickied thread.
Posted on 7/28/24 at 5:42 pm to AlwysATgr
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Without going back to look, why were the voice recordings of the comm channels not made?
Now we know.
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 7/28/24 at 5:45 pm to AlwysATgr
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Think this needs to be added in the OP - see today's stickied thread.
My old friend cadillac actually mentioned the comm issue in the first response in the thread.
Yet these local police actually going on record and speaking out about the utter lack of communication with the USSS certainly is noteworthy.
Those are brave souls.
Updated.
Posted on 7/29/24 at 5:36 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Newly revealed FUBAR: Text messages between local law enforcement officers and/or USSS agents reveal the shooter was identified as a “suspicious” person up to a half-hour earlier than previously reported.
Yet the shooter repeatedly stayed 1 step ahead of LEO’s attempts to apprehend him — apparently because he was aware that they were tracking him.
This raises the very chilling possibility that the shooter was in communication with someone that had alerted him to the fact that LEO were indeed pursuing him.
Newly surfaced texts show Trump rally gunman was on authorities’ radar more than 90 minutes before shooting…
Would-be Donald Trump assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks landed on authorities’ radar more than 90 minutes before he opened fire at the former president’s Pennsylvania campaign rally — roughly a half-hour more than what officials previously claimed — according to newly released text messages.
Text messages between members of the Beaver County Emergency Service Unit obtained by the New York Times revealed a more concrete — and earlier — timeline leading up to the shooting that grazed the former president’s ear, injured two rallygoers and killed one.
The messages also revealed that Crooks, 20, was aware of the law enforcement presence as he prepared his assassination attempt on the GOP nominee…
Yet the shooter repeatedly stayed 1 step ahead of LEO’s attempts to apprehend him — apparently because he was aware that they were tracking him.
This raises the very chilling possibility that the shooter was in communication with someone that had alerted him to the fact that LEO were indeed pursuing him.
Newly surfaced texts show Trump rally gunman was on authorities’ radar more than 90 minutes before shooting…
Would-be Donald Trump assassin Thomas Matthew Crooks landed on authorities’ radar more than 90 minutes before he opened fire at the former president’s Pennsylvania campaign rally — roughly a half-hour more than what officials previously claimed — according to newly released text messages.
Text messages between members of the Beaver County Emergency Service Unit obtained by the New York Times revealed a more concrete — and earlier — timeline leading up to the shooting that grazed the former president’s ear, injured two rallygoers and killed one.
The messages also revealed that Crooks, 20, was aware of the law enforcement presence as he prepared his assassination attempt on the GOP nominee…
This post was edited on 7/29/24 at 5:43 pm
Posted on 8/1/24 at 6:23 pm to Toomer Deplorable
Actual Snipers serving in Congress left off Trump assassination “investigative” task force?
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Posted on 8/1/24 at 6:30 pm to Toomer Deplorable
quote:I’ve seen a couple mentions that the gun had a folding stock, which may have let it fit inside the backpack. Not owning one that does, couldn’t personally say if it would. Makes sense though.
Next, we have the FUBAR of the shooter of either pre-planting his weapon within the security perimeter & it being missed by the SS’s sweep of the area or smuggling his rifle inside the security perimeter.
Posted on 8/1/24 at 6:30 pm to Toomer Deplorable
SIAP but bookmarked this earlier today
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 8/1/24 at 6:32 pm to AUstar
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Crooks was looking through a range finder around an hour before the event. SS saw him and did not confront him for reasons unknown. The snipers even said they saw Crooks looking at them through it.
Searched Google for "Why does one use a range finder"
Google AI response:
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People use rangefinders to measure distance to a target or object. They can be used for a variety of purposes, including:
Golf
1. Rangefinders can help golfers improve their game by measuring distances to the green, hazards, and other areas. This information can help golfers choose the right club, adjust their aim, and make more accurate shots. Rangefinders can also help golfers understand how hard to hit the ball, and can be especially useful on blind shots. Some rangefinders also have features like slope compensation and shake reduction. However, some of these features, like slope compensation, are not legal in USGA tournament play.
Hunting
2. Rangefinders can help hunters accurately measure the distance between themselves and their target, which can help them adjust their aim and make more accurate shots. Some say that knowing your range can make you a more ethical and lethal hunter.
I think golfing should have been ruled out pretty quickly... that leaves option 2.
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