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re: Ukrainians have now attacked a second critical Russian nuclear early warning radar.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:05 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Why Are We Involved?
Budapest Memorandum
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Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:06 am to RogerTheShrubber
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So did we. Now look at us, we're involved.
We were involved when we pledged to protect Ukraine’s sovereignty.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:07 am to doubleb
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Budapest Memorandum
You should probably read this "Memorandum" as we violated it many times with our involvement already.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:08 am to RogerTheShrubber
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You should probably read this "Memorandum" as we violated it many times with our involvement already.
Then enlighten us.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:09 am to doubleb
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We were involved when we pledged to protect Ukraine’s sovereignty.
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Ukraine hasnt had sovereignty in a decade or more. One reason is our meddling.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:13 am to doubleb
quote:Bucharest?
Budapest Memorandum
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:14 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Ukraine hasnt had sovereignty in a decade or more. One reason is our meddling.
So we meddle and that’s not good, but Russia can attack, destroy, and invade and it’s OK because we meddled?
Interesting.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:15 am to NC_Tigah
The memorandum has no binding policy that requires us to defend Ukraine.
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In exchange for giving up its nuclear arsenal, Ukraine initially sought legally binding guarantees from the US that it would intervene should Ukraine’s sovereignty be breached. But when it became clear that the US was not willing to go that far, Ukraine agreed to somewhat weaker – but nevertheless significant – politically binding security assurances to respect its independence and sovereignty which guaranteed its existing borders.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:20 am to RogerTheShrubber
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But when it became clear that the US was not willing to go that far, Ukraine agreed to somewhat weaker – but nevertheless significant – politically binding security assurances to respect its independence and sovereignty which guaranteed its existing borders.
Looks clear to me that while we aren’t putting boots on the ground, we are trying to aid them in protecting their borders. I have no problem with that at all.
In fact if we can drain Russia down it might prevent them from attacking another nation for a couple or three decades.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:21 am to doubleb
quote:No.
So we meddle and that’s not good, but Russia can attack, destroy, and invade and it’s OK
But it certainly was a risk given NATO ramifications which the US sponsored illegal coup of Yanukovych and the POR brought on. It was a FAFO sequence for Obama.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:22 am to RogerTheShrubber
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One reason is our meddling.
Will you better define what the meddling is? We all don't understand what you mean unless you explain better. In other words it's easy too throw out the term meddling. It sounds evil but it is catchy. But what meddling exactly? You talking about Biden and his operation there?
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:22 am to doubleb
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Looks clear to me that while we aren’t putting boots on the ground, we are trying to aid them in protecting their borders
No business being there.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:23 am to doubleb
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So we meddle and that’s not good, but Russia can attack, destroy, and invade and it’s OK
Where are these countries located?
Where are we located?
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:23 am to doubleb
quote:That is the plan. Of course it also involves 2-3 decades of ongoing Ruso-Ukraine war.
In fact if we can drain Russia down it might prevent them from attacking another nation for a couple or three decades.
Winning!
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:25 am to aTmTexas Dillo
quote:Overthrowing a legitimately elected administration because we disagree with its politics
Will you better define what the meddling is?
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:27 am to doubleb
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In fact if we can drain Russia down
Are we fighting Russia?
Should we give Texas and California back to Mexico?
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:32 am to NC_Tigah
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But it certainly was a risk given NATO ramifications which the US sponsored illegal coup of Yanukovych and the POR brought on. It was a FAFO sequence for Obama.
The Russians and the US “meddle” everywhere to gain influence. We all know that had become the norm.
We were involved in Ukraine as was Russia. Russia’s stooge over played his hand creating an enormous amount of discontent. Did we do things to take advantage? I’d hope so.
What do you mean by a US sponsored coup? We provided aid to the dissidents? What did we provide? Strategy? Advice? Weapons? Exactly what did our CIA do?
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:33 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Should we give Texas and California back to Mexico?
Just California
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:33 am to doubleb
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The Russians and the US “meddle” everywhere to gain influence.
Well, at least you understand our involvement is meddling and not necessary.
Posted on 6/17/24 at 11:37 am to NC_Tigah
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Overthrowing a legitimately elected administration because we disagree with its politics
Wasn't that dude pro Russia? That's how the Russians do it. They work the political side, get a Russianophile elected and then never have another election. They then move troops to the border and menace neighbors. I hope we fawk up the Russians at every turn.
Yeah, I know Russianophile is not a real word. But you get my point.
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