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re: Ukraine started the war with Russia

Posted on 6/18/22 at 8:25 am to
Posted by Turbeauxdog
Member since Aug 2004
23294 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 8:25 am to
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How dumb do you have to be to believe this?


Wow now I have to assume it might be true
Posted by nitwit
Member since Oct 2007
12267 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 8:34 am to
And Russia looked at this shelling and suddenly realized that, as luck would have it, it had amassed 200,000 troops right along the border, all equipped for combat...
What good fortune for Mother Russia!
This post was edited on 6/18/22 at 8:38 am
Posted by jackamo3300
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2004
2901 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 8:35 am to
"This conflict has been going on since 2014."

About those early shellings against Russian citizens there.

It couldn't possibly have been to foment more strife in an already existing powder-keg to open the floodgates for Ras-Putin finally to do what he's wanted for awhile.

But Bolsheviks would never involve themselves in something so underhanded and machiavellian.

Just one aspect has never been mentioned on this pro-Ras-Putin site.

Which is, that the Ukraine Constitution has had in it provisions for eventually joining NATO for some time. So why did Ras-Putin wait all this time to make a move on them.

Part of it is the pathetic image of weakness being telecasted like a neon sign by this Biden Junta.

Among the other many possibilities is that he wants to be remembered as a Russian Bolshevik leader who began the process for eventually recovering those lost Soviet "republics." Or at least make it appear that way.

He made it plain and succinct from the onset that "this is not just about the Ukraine." How much more clear could he have been.

So on top of everything else, this black Russian Bolshevik is also an "irredentist." And a bloody one at that.

Posted by sta4ever
The Pit
Member since Aug 2014
15387 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 9:19 am to
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I think a fair analogy would be Crimea and the Donbas region. But in Donbas, taking control of them was not enough to provoke Russia so you started killing them.


So you’re saying the Donbas region and Crimea are Russian, and belong to Russia? And Ukraine having control of the Donbas region, wasn’t enough to start war with Russia, so they had to start killing pro Russian people in the east, to provoke Russia to go to war with them?
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17348 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 9:56 am to
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It’s really like, if a bunch of Mexicans, decided that anything in Texas, south of San Antonio is theirs
IOW, “we didn’t cross the border, the border crossed us”
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So you’re telling me, if this were the case here in the US, that the US would be in the wrong, and are the ones who started war with Mexico?
that would require defending the border with something more lethal than whip reins
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 10:01 am to
JC. He’s not a Bolshevik. Those are the globalists he is fighting
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17348 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 10:14 am to
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He’s not a Bolshevik.
There are a lot of terrible things you can call Putin, with ample justification.

But Bolshevik is definitely NOT one of them. If anything, he’s an antii-Bolshevik.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
45236 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 10:20 am to
Yeah I believe this Russia just massed a 100,000 plus soldiers on the border for shits and giggles.
Posted by Ponchy Tiger
Ponchatoula
Member since Aug 2004
45236 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 10:31 am to
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Kind of like if we decided to use artillery on a majority Hispanic community near the border, Mexico wouldn’t take too kindly to it - but in this case it’s Russia and they don’t have to sit back and take it like Mexico would have to.




So Russia interfered in a internal Ukrainian issue and invaded Ukraine, got it.
Posted by jackamo3300
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2004
2901 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 11:06 am to
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He's fighting the globalists.


Wouldn't mind knowing which of the participants in this is the preferred winner by Soros and the International Financial cartel he is the unofficial "bursar" for.

In the first Crimean War, the Rothschilds financed both sides. No way to lose like that.

What has changed since then.

Is any of the answer in that Hungary who got a good look at what Communists are during the Revolution, expelled them in 1919, and later purged Soros and his brood from their midst, just recently, is on edge about this incursion.

Are any of the other contiguous, relatively free states at all mobilizing - due to this move by the Poisoner.
Posted by LookSquirrel
Member since Oct 2019
6002 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 11:21 am to
Zelensky had moved 125,000 troops to the Donbas border in early Feb. 2022, in preparation for a major military "Offensive" on the Donbass oblast', (region).

These people had voted to become independent of Ukraine by an overwhelming majority. We, the west, had allowed Ukraine to bomb these people relentlessly for 8 years. Referring to them as "Russian backed separatist", in an effort to shift blame to Russia Russia Russia.

In fact, we encouraged it. FACT!

No need for a link. Just use what I just wrote as your source. Seems no one checks any of the source material from the OP anyway.

Only question is WHY?
Posted by ShinerHorns
El Paso
Member since Jul 2021
4053 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 12:04 pm to
Don’t forget Ukraine are the aggressors in this situation. Russia is just trying to defend itself.
Posted by jackamo3300
New Orleans
Member since Apr 2004
2901 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 1:39 pm to
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There are a lot of terrible things you can call Putin, with ample justification.

But Bolshevik is definitely NOT one of them. If anything, he’s an antii-Bolshevik.



So he's not a Bolshevik - just an imperialistic, amoral autocrat with no coherent ideology who knows how to draw just enough from pre-Czarist Russian cultural tenets to endear himself to the people, while still remaining in accordance with the Bolshevik Code.

So is there a distinction here without a difference?

The thing he unavoidably shares with Bolshevism is his willingness to spill innocent blood.

The Bolshevik Code

Putin’s character and his core beliefs, ingrained in his world view and behavior, stem from a conflicted mélange of Tsarist authoritarianism and Marxism-Leninism. In his struggle for legitimacy and power Putin reflects the same preoccupations that shaped the psychology and history of old Russia.

Under Putin, just as under the Soviet system, when the communist leadership declared a new reality all the forces of the government, police , military and propaganda coordinated their efforts to create a new political line. Putin’s justification for the invasion of Crimea and eastern Ukraine fits this pattern as do the words and actions of his Foreign Minister, Sergei Lavrov.



Posted by BBONDS25
Member since Mar 2008
48757 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 2:14 pm to
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Well known propagandist for Putin.


A guy who bought into the muh Russia hoax for years probably shouldn’t be making judgment calls on what is and isn’t propaganda.
Posted by 2020_reVISION
Richmond,VA
Member since Dec 2020
3050 posts
Posted on 6/18/22 at 5:28 pm to
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So they didn’t send artillery or troops into Russia, but they started the war with Russia?


You have tu enter a country to start a war with them? hmmm
Posted by FearlessFreep
Baja Alabama
Member since Nov 2009
17348 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 12:37 am to
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The thing he unavoidably shares with Bolshevism is his willingness to spill innocent blood.
Yes, thank God we Americans only spill guilty blood.
Posted by jnethe1
Pearland
Member since Dec 2012
16143 posts
Posted on 6/20/22 at 12:44 am to
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It was a genuine, glabalist-backed color revolution. Sadly, most people still don't realize this.


This ^^^
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