re: Ukraine Crisis: What you're not being told

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The violence will be portrayed as being perpetrated by Ukrainian ultra-nationalists but in reality the perps will be Russian secret service hires.

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agreed. Were already seeing scattered reports of it, including one isntance where Ukraine claims to have captured Russian agents doing exactly that.

recall before Crimea was invaded, Russians held "military exercises".

Anyone notice what was just announced along the Ukraines eastern border with Russia? military exercises. This is probably how they describe what are actaully troop movements pre-invasion.

So today Russia says they have the right to move in to eastern Ukraine due to instability (violence) that occurred overnight.

Is there a reason we dont have UN/international coalition for peace keepers in there already?

That would totally ruin Putins narrative for invading eastern ukraine, which i expect to happen within the next 72 hours (annoucement of "exercises" along the border)

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which i expect to happen within the next 72 hours (annoucement of "exercises" along the border)

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It will happen on Saturday or Sunday when the U.S. national news media coverage will be minimal.

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So, let me get this straight, ST -- our very own President Barack Obama is in league with Neo-Nazis?

Is that what you are saying?

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No, that's not at all what's being said.

I had posted previously that I was not going to reply to you again, but your reply to me forces me to correct your erroneous statements....

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He (Arseniy Yatsenyuk) is definitely NOT a neo nazi.


No one ever said he was..

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From your OP: That's Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk standing on the left-hand of the photo.



You have stated in this thread:

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Svoboda is in fact a neo-nazi fascist party.

This group is in charge of the new government,

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Therefore you've made no distinction between Svoboda and Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk. He does not belong to the Svoboda party but instead is a member of the All Ukrainian Union Party, which is the second largest political party in membership in the parliament.

He is, in fact, IN CHARGE of the new government, not the sub-ministers you claim are running the government. He is the Ukrainian government official who met with President Obama yesterday and who spoke at the United Nations yesterday.

In fact, Svoboda is a minority party in the Ukrainian parliament (Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine) having only 37 seats out of a total of 447 members of the Rada.

Furthermore, in the last parliamentary elections, in 2012, Svoboda had only 10.4% of the popular vote, coming in fourth after three other political parties.

SVOBODA IS FAR FROM BEING IN CHARGE OF THE GOVERNMENT.

And another correction, Svoboda was never called "The Social Nationalist party" as you claimed in your OP. It was called the National Social Party, NOT "Socialist" party as was the German NAZI party's name.

Also, you claim Svoboda "has targeted jews and ethnic Russians" and thus they are anti-semitic. They are, in fact, anti-foreigner....being also opposed to any foreign group, including Americans, Brits, Germans, and Poles, from having political influence in Ukraine.

That is why they are referred to as 'ultra-nationalist.'

If you're going to start threads on the events in Ukraine, at least have your facts straight before you make inaccurate and hysterical proclamations.

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Svoboda was never called "The Social Nationalist party" as you claimed in your OP. It was called the National Social Party

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Meh, kind of reminds me of the old struggles between the People's Front of Judea (PFJ) and the Judean People's Front (JPF).

But what's in a name?

Democratic Republic of Vietnam
People's Republic of China
German Democratic Republic
Democratic People's Republic of Korea

They all sound so democratic, so republican...

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He also has a law degree and has been the head of a large law firm in Kiev and has worked in a commercial bank in Kiev.

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Oh shite, we know what side you're on NOW...

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Therefore you've made no distinction between Svoboda and Prime Minister Arseniy Yatsenyuk.

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I thought it would've been understood from the OP that Yatsenyuk is not Svoboda or Right Sector, meaning he's not an extremists. I thought it would have been clear he's the face of legitimacy while they award influential positions to Svoboda and Right Sector.

And the major cabinet positions they were awarded in the armed forces, national security, economy, education and justice aren't their only positions of power in the new government. Svoboda co-founder was named Secretary of the Security and National Defense Committee, which supervises the defense ministry and the armed forces. And a Svoboda member was named prosecutor-general.

I find it hard to agree that Svoboda is far from being in charge.

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Also, you claim Svoboda "has targeted jews and ethnic Russians" and thus they are anti-semitic. They are, in fact, anti-foreigner....being also opposed to any foreign group, including Americans, Brits, Germans, and Poles, from having political influence in Ukraine.

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The leader of Svoboda has been extremely open about his hatred for jews and ethnic Russians, speaking of distinctions he's been very clear distinguishing who he targets.

Svoboda and Right Sector use white power logos and former Nazi SS inspired logo arm bands in the streets.

These are racist extremist groups from top to bottom.

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Why would you believe it was "understood" you weren't including him in your Svoboda tirade?

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I think 'puppet' is supposed to have some meaning.

Also had you listened to the leaked phone call that talks about who they want to be in charge you'd know the prime minister is there for cosmetic reasons.