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re: UAP /paranormal primer: essential information for what is to come

Posted on 5/18/21 at 9:05 pm to
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 9:05 pm to
People know about verner von Braun’s claims. The government will absolutely play these cards to their advantage. Probably a one word government
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 9:07 pm
Posted by ThuperThumpin
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 9:06 pm to
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Doty has since come out with some pretty wild stories about ufo events he had to cover


Yea he is a figure I had kinda forgotten about but I'm going back to listen to some of his Knapp interviews.
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 5/18/21 at 9:11 pm to
I saw Doty on Gaia talking about a case where this egg shaped ufo kept visiting this really dumb guy that was some sort of film enthusiast. Said he had hundreds of pictures and film footage that they confiscated. Would land right next to his house out in the middle of nowhere. It sounded a little wild to be honest. Doty is not really a guy you can trust given his history of disinformation
This post was edited on 5/18/21 at 9:12 pm
Posted by RobbBobb
Matt Flynn, BCS MVP
Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 9:53 pm to
Except for the fact that the world now has 8 billion people. Many possessing phones with highly effective cameras, and yet not one single interaction with an alien ship or being that isnt fuzzy as hell
Posted by TigerFanatic99
South Bend, Indiana
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 5/18/21 at 10:03 pm to
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See LA Marzulli for an alternative viewpoint. His work has been the only thing that I’ve ever found congruent with my particular worldview. He calls it the coming great deception


Clifnotes?
Posted by F16HT1N6 T163R5
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Posted on 5/19/21 at 8:45 pm to
Bump.

Because this might be the most epic thread ever.
Posted by mjthe
Virginia
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Posted on 5/19/21 at 8:51 pm to
Posted by mjthe
Virginia
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Posted on 5/19/21 at 9:00 pm to
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Bump.

Because this might be the most epic thread ever.


nope. ToE was
This post was edited on 5/19/21 at 9:01 pm
Posted by Enadious
formerly B5Lurker City of Central
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:53 pm to
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Near Roswell? Roswell was an NYU research project

1945, San Antonio, NM. The story is mostly a recount of what a 7 and 9 year old remember about a crashed 'vehicle' shaped like an avocado. They reported seeing small beings, the heads praying mantas like. They claim to have observed it while the Army cleaned the area and trucked out the vehicle. Claimed to once possess foil like material that would straighten out after wadded up. One child entered the vehicle and removed a 'bracket'. The bracket is still in possession today and has been tested. It's mostly aluminum and appears quite terrestrial. The only odd thing about it is that the holes for screws are cut in millimeters, of which wasn't standard in the US in 1945.
Other crashes are briefly discussed. It seems analysis of other UFO materials mostly comes up with aluminum and tin. It's an interesting read, with some atom bomb history thrown in. The book answers no questions.
But, does highlight what we are faced with today. The government that denied UFO existence now controls the narrative of how that they are a real phenomenon.
From the book:
Any Disclosure will be managed by the same groups that have safely managed the dossier for the last 75 years, and they can spin it to their liking, claiming that the military must retain control. They can also re-position it in any shape and context they want through the multiple “cut-outs” they can create out of thin air to send us into blind alleys. That’s what they do.
Posted by tketaco
Sunnyside, Houston
Member since Jan 2010
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Posted on 5/19/21 at 10:54 pm to
UAP..... I thought this had to do with Israel and Palestine.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 7:08 am to
https://www.dailywire.com/news/top-former-u-s-official-on-explosive-ufo-reports-u-s-is-in-possession-of-exotic-material-from-ufos?%3Futm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=dwtwitter

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Top Former U.S. Official On Explosive UFO Reports: U.S. ‘Is In Possession Of Exotic Material’ From UFOs
By Daily Wire News • May 20, 2021 DailyWire.com •


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Lue Elizondo, former director of the Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), the man at the center of the recent news reports about the U.S. Military’s sightings of UFOs in restricted airspace, told Fox News host Tucker Carlson that the U.S. government is in possession of “exotic material” from UFOs. “There were times where you’d look at a monthly report, and there were 25, 26, incidents occurring in a 30 day time period,” Elizondo told Carlson when asked about whether the reports caused alarm within the Pentagon. “And the question is really, you know, what the hell is wrong with you? How can you not realize that this is an issue?”


Elizondo was on Tucker
Vid embedded in article
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 5/20/21 at 8:54 am to
Pretty good commentary
From Russell Brand...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KOqsg8jfecY&feature=youtu.be

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New Leaked UFO Video & The Pentagon - Paradigm Shift or Distraction?
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Russell Brand 3.2M subscribers SUBSCRIBE
Published on May 19, 2021 An upcoming Pentagon report combined with a newly leaked video has reinvigorated public interest in UFOs. How much can we trust the intentions behind the Pentagon’s report and how limited it will be?


I agree with him on many of the things he brings up

Consciousness/spirituality is behind the root of things
Superficial deceptions likely overlay to keep the his suppressed (by human institutions as they will lose wordly control)

Going to posts some really “conspiratorial” info regarding breakaway civilization angles (given UFOs are now mainstream )

Stay sharp everyone
Love/meaning/balance/deliver us from evil
Posted by xxTIMMYxx
Member since Aug 2019
17562 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:44 am to
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Consciousness/spirituality


I think there is a lot of lost knowledge in this category. Glad to see consciousness taken seriously again with the acceptance of quantum physics and it’s implications. There are groups out there trying to capitalize on this as usual. People are starting an almost new religion from it or incorporating older religions like certain beliefs in Buddhism. It’s all over the Gaia channel. Maybe they are on to something, maybe not and spirituality may be on the precipice again in this materialistic physics world.
Posted by LookSquirrel
Member since Oct 2019
5914 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 10:56 am to
This site called "Collective Evolution" has a plethora of fact based, historical information regarding these various phenomenon, that includes UFO/UAP. Also, very logic based commentary. Like the following;

"As I’ve said many times, I don’t think we will ever get anything significant from government disclosure than what’s already known about the phenomenon among researchers who have been studying it for decades. So don’t get your hopes up. Perhaps the fact that these objects are real is all we will get, but who knows?"

"Is this an issue where the citizenry has to take initiative to find out more? Why is the idea, for example, of trying to make contact with these objects in a citizen initiated way taboo or “crazy” within the mainstream? If we want to find out more about this topic, perhaps we have to try and do so ourselves? Why is it that when government tries to find out, it’s “official” but when citizens try and do it, it’s a “cult?”"

"Are human beings at a point in our culture where we are capable of exploring this topic without labelling phenomenon as “demonic” or “angelic.” Can’t we just accept that there may be other consciousness’ in the universe that takes on a similar, but different physical form? The discussion of what these objects are seems to be the next step, and it’s being had, but it’s taken decades for the topic to exit the “taboo” realm, how long will it take for the implications of the phenomenon and deeper questions that it leads to, to be considered no longer taboo?"

"It leaves no aspect of humanity untouched, it goes into consciousness, physics, the nature of our society, history, other dimensions and more, but many people within this community don’t want to go there until it is “confirmed” by a “credible” source. This in my opinion is a problem."

"Some sources the masses rely on as “credible” are more manipulative than credible, and that’s something we have to come to terms with. It’s OK to speculate. Perhaps our definition of “evidence” needs to change in order to go above and beyond the limitations of “science.”

CE-Alternative News
This post was edited on 5/20/21 at 10:57 am
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 9:34 pm to
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Going to posts some really “conspiratorial” info regarding breakaway civilization angles


https://gizadeathstar.com/2021/05/the-sad-and-mysterious-death-of-ufologist-mark-mccandlish/

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THE SAD AND MYSTERIOUS DEATH OF UFOLOGIST MARK MCCANDLISH
32 Comments / UFOs / By Joseph P. Farrell


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We lead off this week's blogs with a story I did not want to write, much less even hear about. And the story is already a few weeks old, but only now does there appear to be enough information to justify a blog about it. A few days ago, my friend and colleague Walter Bosley asked me if it was true that Mark McCandlish had died. I responded that I didn't know, but a short search revealed that he had, but the details were sketchier then than they are now. This hit uncomfortably close to home, because having known about Mark and his UFO work, particularly in regards to the vehicle he made famous, the so-called alien recovery vehicle (or sometimes, alien reconstruction vehicle, ARV), I first met him when he was a fellow-speaker at the 2014 San Mateo Secret Space Program Conference. His presentation was on that very subject, and the details he disclosed were of great interest to me, because many of them dovetailed with my own speculations about hidden physics and technology.


Vid of talk will be linked below

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What's notable in the articles and interviews presented by Mr. Morningstar is that Mr. McCandlish thought that many of the recent popular UFO flaps were really about hidden technology that "we" humans possessed. Also of interest to this site's readers is Mr. McCandlish's belief that non-terrestrial intelligent life has been visiting this planet for a very long time - "perhaps millennia" - and more interestingly, some of it "isn't friendly," a view that accords in some respects with my own regarding the assumed "friendliness" of the alleged visitors. As for the human bases for this alleged hidden technology, McCandlish also believed that there was a vast underground infrastructure supporting its development and maintenance; again, a view that accords in its broad outlines with my own speculations and books on the vast underground networks of secret Nazi research during World War Two, and the extent of similar known underground facilities that I briefly reviewed in some of my books, most notably Saucers, Swastikas and Psyops and Covert Wars and Breakaway Civilizations.


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Mark McCandlish died on April 13th, 2021 in his home on Redding, CA of a shotgun blast to the head. Shasta County Coroner’s official report cites his death as a “Suicide” from self-inflicted gunshot wound. Mark McCandlish spoke to his friend, Rick Price, late that day (April 13th) and Mark told him that he was going to rest and would call him later. Mark also spoke to his girlfriend later and told her that he would speak to her when he went to work at her animal shelter. When Mark did not show up for work and he failed to call her, Mark’s girlfriend, who had a key to his home, went there to look for him, and found his body, dead from a gunshot wound to his head. A colleague of Mark McCandlish, a member of a UFO/SSP Disclosure group with which Mark McCandlish was associated, wrote on May 10th, 2021: “Regarding Mark McClandlish suicide with shotgun blast to his head. He was going to testify for Senate UFO/UAP meeting in June. His testimony would have destroyed the “we haven’t made much progress” narrative. Also the one who showed the Tic Tac was actually USAF SSP drone … That would also destroy that narrative, came out and reversed and said he made it up. Mark probably didn’t go along. It’s an agenda. It’s complicated for sure.” ******* Robert D. Morningstar, Editor/Publisher of The UFO Spotlight, a friend and colleague of Mark McCandlish since the June 2014 Secret Space program – Breakaway Civiliation Conference that was held in San Francisco, and Rick Price, a close friend (for more than 20 years) who was one of the last people to speak to Mark McCandlish find that conclusion dubious, doubt the “official story,” and reject that conclusion. Finally, it has been reported by one official that “several Federal agencies are investigating the death of Mark McCandlish.’ If Mark’s death was, in fact, just a “suicide,” the editor asks: Why should further investigations by multiple agencies of the US government be necessary? I reject the ‘official story.”


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FDjE9ME452c

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The Feasibility of Interstellar Travel | Mark McCandlish
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Published on Mar 9, 2015 Mark McCandlish at the Secret Space Program Conference, 2014 San Mateo LIKE US ON FACEBOOK TO STAY INFORMED ABOUT FUTURE EVENTS https://www.facebook.com/secretspacep... Title:

The Feasibility of Interstellar Travel Zero Point Energy: The power source behind the Secret Space Program and Trump Card of the Break-away Civilization Run time: 1.29.26 min Speaker: Mark McCandlish Produced by: Globalbem, Breakthrough Energy Movement Language: English Presentation How the back-engineering of off-world technology created powerful leverage for corporations to take over control of world government, establish an internationally-manned, secret space program and break-away civilization. Based on eye-witness accounts and insider information, Mr. McCandlish takes the audience through a series of revelations as to how remarkable breakthrough technology, may have been back-engineered from recovered or captured off-world vehicles, enabled aerospace and defense-related corporations to hijack control of governments world-wide, create a special access only, secret space program and develop a break-away civilization with its own goals and agenda.


Satisfies the ours and theirs thinking
Also explains why the world is seemingly getting crazier and crazier (by design)
Posted by Lil Rebel
Member since Apr 2019
110 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:12 pm to
TOE was epic and I miss all of the glorious people who contributed.

TPA- I live near the NAS Meridian. I own about 7 acres here with trees lining the perimeter of the property. I am accustomed to the fly boys doing touch and goes, training, etc. but about two months ago at approximately 8:20pm I was on my deck looking upwards to the trees on a clear night at the fireflies. I witnessed something that I cannot explain. A ball of white light, brighter than anything in the sky, approached on a SW flight path. A quick scan of an app on my phone revealed no military or commercial flights. It was immense. It was silent. It was at a guesstimated altitude of 25Kft. It crossed the sky with a side to side kinda sway, the light turned to a yellow and then orange color and then I fricking vanished. It appeared the following night and I managed to get a blurry video. Nothing worth sharing. Has anyone else seen something like this?
Posted by Lil Rebel
Member since Apr 2019
110 posts
Posted on 5/20/21 at 11:16 pm to
It vanished. Gah. But seriously, I also had someone here with me. We both saw it. It rendered us speechless for a good ten minutes.
Posted by LookSquirrel
Member since Oct 2019
5914 posts
Posted on 5/21/21 at 8:30 am to
Strange, because my wife and son saw the exact same thing a couple months ago, from our back deck. They are not inclined to believe such stuff, but they were so excited, they ran up front to get me. By the time I got back there it was gone, dammit!
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 5/21/21 at 10:21 pm to
Skeptical piece, but the author is correct when pointing out some big picture themes (the assault on material reductionist science)

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How Washington Got Hooked on Flying Saucers
A collection of well-funded UFO obsessives are using their Capitol Hill connections to launder some outré, and potentially dangerous, ideas.


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But the real story isn’t disclosure, and it’s stranger than any UFO sighting. Behind the creamy pages of high-end magazines and the marble columns of the Capitol, the media elite and Congress are being played by a small, loosely connected group of people with bizarre ideas about science. It’s easy to dismiss UFOs as a fantasy or a fad, but the money, the connections, and the power wielded by a group of UFO believers—embedded in the defense industry and bent on supplanting material science with a pseudoscientific mysticism straight from the History Channel’s Ancient Aliens—poses a danger to America more real than a flying saucer.


Quite an ironic statement these days...

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If there were a moment of original sin in our story, it took place in 1966. J. Allen Hynek, the astronomer who pioneered the scientific study of UFOs for the Air Force’s Project Blue Book, told his friend, French UFO researcher Jacques Vallée, his deep dark secret: In terms of his scientific outlook, he wasn’t a strict materialist; instead, he was guided by his fascination with mysticism and the occult. Over the next decade, the two men toyed with the notion that UFOs weren’t alien spaceships at all but, rather, space poltergeists from another dimension. The two men’s discussions had a profound impact on a friend with an office near Vallée’s in the 1970s, an ex-Scientologist and physicist named Harold E. “Hal” Puthoff. Puthoff, who studied psychic phenomena at the Stanford Research Institute, where he championed debunked spoon-bender Uri Geller, was also a defense contractor, and the intelligence community recruited him for a bonkers effort to use psychics to spy telepathically on the Soviets, later known as “Project Stargate.” In 1984, one Stargate “psychic” claimed to travel back in time one million years to commune with Martians.


Pertinent themes to link moving forward...

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The threat narrative was a brilliant bit of framing, turning a story of poltergeist hunters battling a cabal of demon-believers into a national security issue. But this influence campaign masks the deeper transformation its advocates want to bring about: Puthoff and his colleagues seek to delegitimize material science in favor of a magical, neo-medieval view of reality founded on spirit—or, in their terms, “consciousness” and psychic powers. Elizondo still speaks of demon cabals, otherworldly beings, and UFOs operating beyond human perception—just not on 60 Minutes. UFOs, newly relevant as a security threat, are only the vanguard of a larger effort to undo the failure of Stargate and elevate spirit over matter. It’s bad science and dangerous as government policy, the kind of magical thinking that leads to lunacy and disaster.


Got to keep the loonies on the path...

Science is about to be deeply wounded by the same God it declared dead...



Empty Spaces...
Posted by trilltiger
LA
Member since Nov 2007
2677 posts
Posted on 5/22/21 at 12:03 am to
It’s the cia in cosplay
Look up movie 2012
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