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re: Two years later (2020 election)
Posted on 9/5/22 at 7:21 am to McKinney Ag69
Posted on 9/5/22 at 7:21 am to McKinney Ag69
quote:
What are everyone's thoughts about the election's legitimacy two years later?
The democrats stole that 2020 Presidential Election. If people refuse to believe the overwhelming evidence or, even worse, accept voter fraud as a necessary evil to stop a candidate you disapprove of, then we're in trouble. The thing is, you know the democrats, RINOs, and anti-Trumpsters will do it again. And they will get bolder and more reckless each time.
With Biden's 'MAGA people are fascist' speech the other night, Joe Biden has begun to lay the foundation for tyranny. The Nazi Propaganda Machine demonized the Jews long before they began to arrest them and ship them off on trains to gas chambers.
Regarding the deniers, I can only say some passengers on the Titanic were confident the ship was unsinkable up to the moment the water showed up at their cabin. They will get what they deserve - an oppressive government that keeps everyone in line with the barrel of a gun.
They raided Donald Trump's private residence. They know who Trump's supporters are and will be coming after them next.
Sad, America was the last bastion of true freedom. My poor grandchildren.
This post was edited on 9/5/22 at 9:27 am
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Posted on 9/5/22 at 7:31 am to Bbobalou
Yeah ok. 6 swing states stopped counting at about the same time .
Trump was leading all 6 states.
In a matter of hours, Trump loses all 6.
Sure, nothing to see here , move along.
Trump was leading all 6 states.
In a matter of hours, Trump loses all 6.
Sure, nothing to see here , move along.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 7:32 am to Bbobalou
quote:So you actually believe a basement-dwelling potatobrain who couldn't (and still can't) attract an audience of any size actually garnered 81million votes?
My answer to that is no.
You believe voters from Democrat constituencies being allowed to cure their VBM Ballots while those from GOP areas were allowed no such privilege is on the up-and-up?
You believe broken and/or disregarded election laws involving huge population swaths in the swing states is indicative of a fair/honest election?
You believe a simultaneous, middle of the night, shutdown of vote counts in those (and only in those) same 5 swing states followed by major result-shifts toward potatobrain immediately on resumption in each instance is part of the normal process?
You believe the expulsion of observers immediately prior to each of those shutdowns/result-shifts reflects honesty in the process?
Posted on 9/5/22 at 7:42 am to NC_Tigah
yes everyone knows deadlines and rules were changed and benefited democrats.
however its time you. as one of the adults on this board address why AG Barr rejected all the claims of fraud. he was the AG with great resources. he personally looked at the 2,000 movie. he says it was all bullcrap. explain it for the op.
there was no fraud.
go. you can do it.
and for the OP do you believe Obama was born in USA? trump says, some people say he wasn't.
however its time you. as one of the adults on this board address why AG Barr rejected all the claims of fraud. he was the AG with great resources. he personally looked at the 2,000 movie. he says it was all bullcrap. explain it for the op.
there was no fraud.
go. you can do it.
and for the OP do you believe Obama was born in USA? trump says, some people say he wasn't.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 7:46 am to Bbobalou
quote:
You have a certain number of voters and the ability to verify is to easy. Call them up and ask if they voted,
How you gonna ask the thousands of dead people on the voter rolls?
What about the thousands registered to parking lots that voted?
What about vote switching?
I hope you aren’t a business owner with that line of thinking.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:03 am to idlewatcher
I’ve had to go to work. I’ll come back because I’d like to understand how things work and some of your perspectives.
I’m for mail in or electronic ballots if done legally. I do almost everything that way as it is
Do I think 1 person can beat another at the last minute? Yes. It happens all the time. Underdogs get lucky and knock you out or score a touchdown.
I’m for mail in or electronic ballots if done legally. I do almost everything that way as it is
Do I think 1 person can beat another at the last minute? Yes. It happens all the time. Underdogs get lucky and knock you out or score a touchdown.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:11 am to Bbobalou
quote:
I'm willing to learn something that I didn't before. How are they able to get people who are dead but voted? How do they get people who voted more than once? If they don't know whos ballot is whos like you say.
In a controlled system registers are verified against one another to ensure no one is registered to vote in multiple precincts. When it’s time to vote the voter signs the book of registered voters that records who voted. Their State Photo ID is used to confirm who they are and an observer from each party is there to verify and sign off on it. If this was the only voting mechanism and it was adhered to, it would be significantly more difficult to cheat. But even in this system you wouldn’t know how a voter voted, you would just know who voted and how many people voted. So, if you got more votes than you recorded what do you do? The correct answer is throw it out and hold another election.
So, how do we find out a dead person voted? Someone signed a register book with a dead person’s name. This is easily done when you aren’t required to show a State issued picture ID or have party observers to sign off. How do we know someone voted twice, usually it’s because they were registered in two place and signed both books. In both of these cases we still don’t know how they voted, we just know illegal/fraudulent votes were made. How do you correct those votes? Currently we don’t because we don’t know which votes were theirs, we just go with the theory it wouldn’t change the outcome. This is another reason why we really don’t want to go looking:)
The current system in many states, don’t verify you are only on one precinct’s rolls. How could they, as these states allow same day registration. No requirements for picture IDs allow people to vote multiple times under different names. For a simple example, I go vote for me and my wife. The whole mail in and drop box voting(which bypasses the whole verification and voter registration system) is a complete travesty when it comes to election integrity. We have no idea whose filling out the ballots or who is sending them in. And as stated by me various times we can’t tie a ballot to a voter, if we could that would eliminate voter anonymity, which would destroy the voting system.
This post was edited on 9/5/22 at 8:15 am
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:15 am to CelticDog
quote:I have, in other threads. Like Nixon in 1960, Barr didn't so much reject likelihood of fraud as he simply refused to look. Like Nixon, Barr believed the uncovering of election-changing fraud would do more damage to the country than than settlement for a dishonest result. Barr believes preservation of a fraudulent electoral outcome is superior to exposing it.
however its time you. as one of the adults on this board address why AG Barr rejected all the claims of fraud
e.g.,
quote:quote:You mean, aside from the fact he never looked?
What Are Your Arguments Against Bill Barr’s Determination The Evidence Was Not Fraudulent?
...
Barr disagreed with pursuit of a stolen election from the getgo.
Let's repeat that, Barr disagreed with pursuit of a stolen election from the getgo.
You reference Barr's ""Investigation"". Barr's method of investigation would be to send the DOJ's investigative arm out to take a look. The DOJ's investigative arm is referred to as the FBI Soooo....
How many precincts did the FBI investigate?
That answer would be "zero".
THERE WAS NO INVESTIGATION! NONE! ZIP! NADA!
Why?
Because in Barr's warped reasoning, the ramifications of a full-on federal investigation were simply too ugly and too severe regardless of outcome. So it was/is better, in Barr's capitulatory calculations, to pretend/assume/hope things were on the up-and-up.
What Barr (and you) fail to comprehend is without that ugly, horrible, terrible, nasty, unsettling investigation, there will never be a perception of truth in an outcome claiming PotatoBrain garnered 81 million votes, and that is dangerous.
Here's the caveat: A democracy can survive corrupt elections if its society doesn't perceive them as corrupt. A democracy cannot survive if there is widespread perception of electoral corruption ... even if corruption is in fact not widespread.
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Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:18 am to cssamerican
quote:
, how do we find out a dead person voted? Someone signed a register book with a dead person’s name. This is easily done when you aren’t required to show a State issued picture ID or have party observers to sign off. How do we know someone voted twice, usually it’s because they were registered in two place and signed both books. In both of these cases we still don’t know how they voted, we just know illegal/fraudulent votes were made. How do you correct those votes? Currently we don’t because we don’t know which votes were theirs, we just go with the theory it wouldn’t change the outcome. This is another reason why we really don’t want to go looking:)
every election such cheaters are caught. with great fanfare. there aren't 20 such voters in the whole nation.
2020 election several REPUBLICAN men were caught voting for the dead relatives.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:20 am to McKinney Ag69
Live in TX, mid 30s engineer, was definitely stolen.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:23 am to CelticDog
quote:
yes everyone knows deadlines and rules were changed and benefited democrats.
Agreed.
quote:
however its time you. as one of the adults on this board address why AG Barr rejected all the claims of fraud. he was the AG with great resources.
It is almost impossible to prove because you can’t tie a ballot back to a voter. Rule changes also made it to where we can’t even tie voting numbers to people who showed up to vote. It would be like trying to prove I didn’t eat an egg six days ago, it’s damn near impossible.
quote:
and for the OP do you believe Obama was born in USA? trump says, some people say he wasn't.
This is totally irrelevant. Even if he was born in Kenya, his mother was a US citizen; therefore, he is as well. I’ll never understand how this ever became a thing.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:24 am to Bbobalou
quote:
I don't believe that there was mass fraud. You would have to have too many people in on it and with various parties involved it aint happening.
I see folks use the term “mass fraud” a lot. It really didn’t have to be mass fraud really. I think it only had to happen in 5 counties in the country. How “mass” are you talking about?
Everyone will admit that voter fraud exist. Let me ask you, why would you commit minor voting fraud, which is a felony if you didn’t think it would make a difference?
Let me change the terms a little bit, do you think “coordinated fraud” took place?
This post was edited on 9/5/22 at 8:25 am
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:24 am to Bbobalou
quote:The fallacy in your analogy is electoral variance was not simply one state. It was 5 or 6 performing in an identically aberrant manner.
Do I think 1 person can beat another at the last minute? Yes. It happens all the time. Underdogs get lucky and knock you out or score a touchdown.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:28 am to NC_Tigah
quote:
It was 5 or 6 performing in an identically aberrant manner.
this is a variation on OMG 81 MILLION. IT COULDNT BE.
you just can't accept how people feel about trump.
loathed.
despised.
feared.
people got ballots mailed to them. easy to vote.
looking at a pattern that differs from past patterns and declaring it proof is lame.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:30 am to eitek1
quote:
Everyone will admit that voter fraud exist
ag barr says bullshite
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:32 am to McKinney Ag69
The friends of your friend are correct
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:32 am to CelticDog
quote:Several hundred thousand illegal VBM ballots were cast in WI. Thousands of VBM ballots were illegally cured in PA. Numerous instances of severe Alzheimer's patients casting ballots have been documented. Hundreds of thousands of Dominion-generated "test"ballots indistinguishable from actual ballots were generated, and never accounted for in GA. Any intimation that we know there were only a few dozen incidences of fraud is simply false. We know there was massive fraud. We don't know the complete extent.
there aren't 20 such voters in the whole nation.
2020 election several REPUBLICAN men were caught voting for the dead relatives.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:34 am to McKinney Ag69
quote:
They think I’m insane for questioning the integrity of the election, that it’s impossible to steal, and that judges who were impartial threw the cases out.
The judge thing drives me nuts as it was a 2-3 months expectation window to provide the proof. Took a yr and half for the 2000 mules team to gather what they did. OP if you and your friends havent watched that you should make sure they do cause it shows how changes made for covid can be abused, which is key in this argument.
The main issue is all that was changed illegally to fit the covid fears. It's letting the opponent change the rules of the game mid-game without being able to prep. Heck the 2019 amendment in PA that allows mail in voting has verbage that was supposed to disqualify the whole amendment by what was allowed to happen. Why Trump was adamant that people vote in person cause "letter of the law" if followed should have thrown out ALL mailed in votes.
Tell your friends that 99% of European countries and even Canada have stricter and better election day requirements than we do. All to prevent election fraud. Including voter ID. We need to go back to election day procedures. Heck what worked for most of history is better than we have today.
Also, there is no reason a state should have election software that they can not audit 100% like was being prevented in AZ.
Problem is they think the integrity of elections is legit, and they believe it can't be questioned. We just want to be sure that's all. Oh and don't forget to remind them of all the Dems that questioned Trump's election in 2016. Hell a bunch of reps boycotted his inauguration because they didn't think he was elected. Not to mention "russia russia russia". Dems started it, and then cry when we play by the new rules they set. Projection 101.
This post was edited on 9/5/22 at 8:41 am
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:37 am to Bbobalou
quote:
I don't believe that there was mass fraud.
This is where most people get lost. The Dems only had to manipulate about 10 counties in 6-7 swing states to pull it off.
Posted on 9/5/22 at 8:38 am to CelticDog
quote:Again, Barr never looked. He also made claims regarding declassification of documents, but similarly Barr was not even a part of the Administration at the point he claims to have direct knowledge of Trump's actions.
ag barr says bullshite
If Barr had investigated voter fraud, his investigatory tool would have been the FBI. The FBI was never dispatched. Barr never took a single look at fraud.
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