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re: Two questions for pro-choice posters
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:09 am to WildManGoose
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:09 am to WildManGoose
quote:Equating a human fetus and a bacterium is the central premise of the OP. Refuting that (moronic) premise is hardly a “straw man.”
You're fighting that old straw man.
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Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:11 am to jnethe1
quote:WTF are you babbling about? The premise of the OP is that abortion rights supporters contend that a fetus is not a “life.” That premise is false. Almost no abortion rights supporters take that position, as indicated by a dozen separate post on this thread ... including my own
It doesn’t intentionally misrepresent anything. It simply words the point in a manner that you are uncomfortable with. I other words, it’s politically incorrect.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:12 am to Darth_Vader
Yogurt has live bacteria, do you believe that yogurt is equal to human life?
According to the dumbass OP, we should start giving yogurt SSN....
According to the dumbass OP, we should start giving yogurt SSN....
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 10:14 am
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:14 am to WildManGoose
quote:1. Yes
1) Do pro-choicers consider a fetus, with functioning nervous and circulatory systems, "human" life?
2) If not, then what would that life be equated too?
3) If so, then what is the difference between ending that "human" life or any other?
2. na
3. The developmental point at which certain rights vest in a member of the species Homo Sapiens. For most of us, that is tied to the development of sentence.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:18 am to AggieHank86
quote:
Equating a human fetus and a bacterium is the central premise of the OP.
No, that's not his premise. You're being obtuse and shallow-minded. His premise is implied and is obvious to anyone that is paying attention.
His premise is that pro-choice viewpoints discount a human fetus as "life". Because if it is "life", then what kind of life could it be if not "human" life? If it is life, then it is "human life", and if it is "human life" then how is an abortion not equivalent to murder? And if pro-choice discounts a fetus as "life" but rejoices in finding "life" on Mars, then what is the difference between a fetus and bacteria?
Please feel free to address any of the questions I've supplied.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:25 am to AggieHank86
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3. The developmental point at which certain rights vest in a member of the species Homo Sapiens. For most of us, that is tied to the development of sentence.
I posted before seeing this. That's a valid viewpoint. My personal opinion is that inherent human right to life begins at thought, or brain function, the inverse of entering a vegetative state. When an adult loses all meaningful brain function then it's legal to end that life. If there is significant brain function then that is not allowed. Why not the same for a fetus? I'm not 100% anti-abortion, but my belief would effectively end them due to the early onset of fetal brain development.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:28 am to Darth_Vader
I’m sure it’s been said in the thread numberous times but no pro choice person has ever said an unborn fetus isn’t alive.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:31 am to BayouBlitz
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An unborn fetus has organic cells. So does a wart.
Comparing a wart to a human fetus?
That's bothersome.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:32 am to BayouBlitz
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frick off with your feaux outrage.
You sound much more outraged than the OP.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:36 am to AggieHank86
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Equating a human fetus and a bacterium is the central premise of the OP. Refuting that (moronic) premise is hardly a “straw man.”
Disagree. Some hardcore pro-choice people put as much value in an unborn fetus as they do that blade of grass.
I think that's where the concern may lie.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:37 am to AggieHank86
Oh wait, I didn’t see it was faggie hank. You refuse to argue rhetoric and instead argue on structure of the argument. There’s no helping you.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:41 am to Kentucker
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The relevant term regarding abortion isn’t life. It’s viability, the ability to live outside the womb.
Of course fetuses are alive. Even sperm and eggs are living cells. They can’t live on their own outside the body, however.
Yes. Thank you.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:46 am to jnethe1
quote:
Oh wait, I didn’t see it was faggie hank. You refuse to argue rhetoric and instead argue on structure of the argument. There’s no helping you.
You understand that argument structure is a key component of rhetoric, right?
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:50 am to Joshjrn
quote:The funny thing is that I am 100% confident that his post actually made sense to him when he wrote it.quote:You understand that argument structure is a key component of rhetoric, right?
Oh wait, I didn’t see it was faggie hank. You refuse to argue rhetoric and instead argue on structure of the argument. There’s no helping you.
I am still trying to puzzle out what the fark he is trying to say.
This post was edited on 11/30/18 at 10:52 am
Posted on 11/30/18 at 10:54 am to DavidTheGnome
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I’m sure it’s been said in the thread numberous times but no pro choice person has ever said an unborn fetus isn’t alive.
right...they just say it's a "bundle of cells" so they don't feel all icky as it's ripped apart limb by limb
Posted on 11/30/18 at 11:00 am to BlackHelicopterPilot
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I've said before that I am uncomfortably pro-choice
I am equally uncomfortably pro-life = but that means that in a stalemant between warring priniciples, I'd choose life over abortion.
And btw - I never use the pro-'choice' euphemism - it is actually pro-life and pro-abortion. that is the decision to be made - to abort or not.
I'd be ok with the debate boiling down to "pro-life va anti-life" or pro-abortion vs anti-abortiuon" just to set the table clearly.
I detest making really ugly decisions sound nice.
choosing an abortion is an ugly decision - I would ID myself against that, but still acknowledge that sometimes it is in everybody's best interest to allow it.
Just as I am anti-murder - but I acknowledge that some people just need killin' and I'd be on the jury nullification side of a trial for murder in that instance.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 11:00 am to MardiGrasRazorback
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ability to live outside the womb
This is too subjective. What is ability to live? To simply breathe? What is the difference in viability between fetal development stages? And what is the difference between a fetus and a baby carried to term and delivered? That delivered baby still is not viable without years of capable oversight. An infant left in an alley will die.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 11:08 am to Darth_Vader
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Why do you consider a bacteria to be life but you don’t consider an unborn baby to be life?
I'll answer for them. They know it's a human life, and they still have no problem murdering an unborn baby.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 11:12 am to Darth_Vader
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Two questions for pro-choice posters
Aight, shoot
quote:
1. If NASA announced today that they’d discovered live bacteria on Mars, would you consider that this proves there is life on Mars?
Chit yeh.
quote:
2. If you answered yes to question 1, please explain to me that how a single cell bacteria on Mars is considered to be a life while an unborn fetus (which is very much multi-cell and even has a heart beat) on Earth is not also alive.
The fetus is alive. I just believe that we have enough humans on this planet and simple numbers show that the poor and uneducated are the ones who receive most abortions. Seeing as we have enough people on the planet as is, and seeing as the poor and uneducated can’t provide for their upcoming frick trophy, I’d rather said frick trophy never be born than start an entirely new cycle of welfare dependency and bad life choices.
The poor should be outright banned from having children.
Posted on 11/30/18 at 11:15 am to Choctaw
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right...they just say it's a "bundle of cells" so they don't feel all icky as it's ripped apart limb by limb
Be that as it may, the arguement of the OP was that pro choice proponents would view an alien single cell organism as alive but an unborn fetus as not being alive but that’s a false premise.
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