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Two Immutable Facts about Immigration
Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:50 pm
Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:50 pm
I've said it before on here, but apparently it bears repeating since some of the lefties want to run into the center of the room, rip their clothes and bathe in the tears of martyrs as they heap ashes upon their heads:
1 - If we have no borders, we have no country.
2 - If we have no laws (or enforce the rule of law), we have no country.
I know that lots of folks get a massive chubby at the thought of a "global village" where we all live in the peace and harmony of a Coca-Cola commercial, but newsflash - that isn't going to happen. Just because a foreign national of any stripe identifies that they likely have a shot at a much better standard of living than staying in whatever Third World shithole life chose to put them in, that doesn't mean they're entitled to mooch off of rightful citizens and tell Lady Justice to frick off in their pursuit of Lady Liberty.
The entire reason your morning commute doesn't devolve into chaos each day is because as a whole, we've implicitly agreed to adhere to basic rules of operation, on the road. Collectively, we've chosen not to turn our time behind the wheel into a giant game of bumper cars. Practically every other law is followed the same way.
The entire reason the "immigration" (read "invasion") situation is where it is today, is because on an individual basis, foreign nationals have decided that their individual circumstances are above the law. THEY are special, and should be treated outside of the norm.
This is horse shite. The very act of drawing breath on US soil when they're not supposed to be here is a crime and should be treated accordingly. If they're knowingly going to subject their children to the possibility of an extended detention away from their families, then it's reasonable to question their overall fitness as parents.
1 - If we have no borders, we have no country.
2 - If we have no laws (or enforce the rule of law), we have no country.
I know that lots of folks get a massive chubby at the thought of a "global village" where we all live in the peace and harmony of a Coca-Cola commercial, but newsflash - that isn't going to happen. Just because a foreign national of any stripe identifies that they likely have a shot at a much better standard of living than staying in whatever Third World shithole life chose to put them in, that doesn't mean they're entitled to mooch off of rightful citizens and tell Lady Justice to frick off in their pursuit of Lady Liberty.
The entire reason your morning commute doesn't devolve into chaos each day is because as a whole, we've implicitly agreed to adhere to basic rules of operation, on the road. Collectively, we've chosen not to turn our time behind the wheel into a giant game of bumper cars. Practically every other law is followed the same way.
quote:
“The clearest way to show what the rule of law means to us in everyday life is to recall what has happened when there is no rule of law.”
-Dwight David Eisenhower
The entire reason the "immigration" (read "invasion") situation is where it is today, is because on an individual basis, foreign nationals have decided that their individual circumstances are above the law. THEY are special, and should be treated outside of the norm.
This is horse shite. The very act of drawing breath on US soil when they're not supposed to be here is a crime and should be treated accordingly. If they're knowingly going to subject their children to the possibility of an extended detention away from their families, then it's reasonable to question their overall fitness as parents.
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Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:52 pm to VoxDawg
I don't want their shitty future dem voting kids here either.
Back you go!
Back you go!
Posted on 6/18/18 at 12:54 pm to VoxDawg
It doesn't make sense to imprison their kids on taxpayers dime. It's inhumane. But its fiscally stupid. Charge them on the spot, document, send them all back together.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:04 pm to VoxDawg
quote:
The entire reason your morning commute doesn't devolve into chaos each day is because as a whole, we've implicitly agreed to adhere to basic rules of operation, on the road.
What kind of fantasy world do you live in?
Every single day on my morning commute, EVERYONE is breaking the law - mostly because most people are too stupid to learn how to drive on limited access freeways in Louisiana. Then after we park our cars, more than half the people break the law while crossing the street.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:06 pm to VoxDawg
It’s all so simple to you The human reality is more complicated than you suggest. I don’t have an easy solution to suggest, but. I know it’s not necessary to inter children while enforcing the law. What’s going on is a policy decision, not black letter law.
This post was edited on 6/18/18 at 1:08 pm
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:11 pm to VOR
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I know it’s not necessary to inter children while enforcing the law
I don't see any other temporary solution if the parents are detained.
The children have to be cared for and until the parents are released or a family member steps up, the feds are on the hook for that care.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:11 pm to VOR
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It’s all so simple to you The human reality is more complicated than you suggest. I don’t have an easy solution to suggest, but. I know it’s not necessary to inter children while enforcing the law. What’s going on is a policy decision, not black letter law.
It is simple to me. Send their arse back to whatever country they are a citizen of. Quickly. Like as in the next day.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:18 pm to Erin Go Bragh
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I don't see any other temporary solution if the parents are detained.
Have a guy with a computer and finger print kit, record, charge, send them all back within 24 hours. The undeniable fact is it's still costing the taxpayer more money to upkeep these child prisons; Guards, food, maintenance, healthcare, water etc. I bet if they were taking these peoples hunting dogs then this board would change its tone
Trump is losing some votes for this, believe that.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:22 pm to VoxDawg
How to argue immigration vs a liberal:
1: Do you think anyone at anytime should be able to come to this country, with zero rules or procedures?
"Of course not"
2: So we have to set some max number of people we want to let in each year, right?
"Yeah, but..."
3: So pretend that number is a million, or two million, whatever the number is, don't you need a way to enforce that number?
"Yeah, but ..."
4: So if you are enforcing immigration law, you have to use law enforcement and secure borders to do it, what is another way you can think of to enforce that number?"
"Yeah but Trump is separating families... we have to be more humane."
5: That's a Bush-era policy that Obama continued to enforce through all 8 years of his presidency, and I also think it's a shame that Trump hasn't found a way to change it yet, in the 18 months he's been president.
[blank stare]
1: Do you think anyone at anytime should be able to come to this country, with zero rules or procedures?
"Of course not"
2: So we have to set some max number of people we want to let in each year, right?
"Yeah, but..."
3: So pretend that number is a million, or two million, whatever the number is, don't you need a way to enforce that number?
"Yeah, but ..."
4: So if you are enforcing immigration law, you have to use law enforcement and secure borders to do it, what is another way you can think of to enforce that number?"
"Yeah but Trump is separating families... we have to be more humane."
5: That's a Bush-era policy that Obama continued to enforce through all 8 years of his presidency, and I also think it's a shame that Trump hasn't found a way to change it yet, in the 18 months he's been president.
[blank stare]
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:27 pm to Rhino5
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Have a guy with a computer and finger print kit, record, charge, send them all back within 24 hours.
I'm in full agreement
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Trump is losing some votes for this, believe that.
Hard to calculate but I don't see detaining border jumpers as having a huge negative impact on Trump. The president is doing what he promised. Most people know the dems and the left are using these kids for political purposes.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:29 pm to VoxDawg
One thing I learned in poli sci at LSU, you need borders to have sovereignty, you need sovereignty to be a country.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:33 pm to Erin Go Bragh
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Most people know the dems and the left are using these kids for political purposes.
Then what the hell is Trump doing right now? It's a weak argument from him, and one that's hitting the wrong nerve of people with families/kids. Theu could easily stick the families in a holding cell together. Being locked in a room for a week with a screaming kid should alone deter them from trying to cross again. This is a black eye for trump.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:39 pm to Rhino5
quote:
It doesn't make sense to imprison their kids on taxpayers dime. It's inhumane. But its fiscally stupid. Charge them on the spot, document, send them all back together.
Would be great if we could do this. Totally agree.
Posted on 6/18/18 at 1:40 pm to VoxDawg
They illegally came across the border from Mexico. So isn't this Mexico's problem?
Why can't we just set them back on the Mexican border and say, "Head south."
Why can't we just set them back on the Mexican border and say, "Head south."
Posted on 6/19/18 at 6:01 am to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:
Every single day on my morning commute, EVERYONE is breaking the law - mostly because most people are too stupid to learn how to drive on limited access freeways in Louisiana. Then after we park our cars, more than half the people break the law while crossing the street.
You're missing the larger point. If you're a liberal, then I suppose that's to be expected, at this point. Any analogy that isn't literally Hitler goes right over your head.
The overarching point is that irrespective of individuals who choose to follow the speed limit, failure to maintain lane, etc - as a society we've agreed to adhere to a set of rules. This is why in 99% of cases, folks get where they're going accident-free.
But since you appear to enjoy being a contrarian, let's look at the ones who willfully break the law. For those that speed - they do so with the understanding that if they get caught, there'll likely be a ticket, a court appearance and a fine. If their tendency to believe that the established rules (which were probably set long before they got their license, or the cop who pulls them over joined the force) still don't apply to them, they're charged with Failure to Appear and a bench warrant is served.
In most circumstances, we have collectively agreed that there are rules that almost all of us choose to follow. Illegal invaders from another country don't care. The rule of law doesn't apply to them. They want to live a better life than they would in their respective shithole country, so they pull an Eric Cartman and live their lives as "I do what I want!"
This basic disregard (or lack of ability to comprehend) rule of law alone makes them unfit to be citizens, even if POTUS snapped his fingers and instantly granted amnesty today. This doesn't even address their wholesale refusal to assimilate with society. (There will always be exceptions, but their track record as a whole is pretty shitty).
Posted on 6/19/18 at 7:22 am to VOR
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What’s going on is a policy decision, not black letter law.
Exactly what should the policy be?
And make sure it handles cases like:
- 35 yr old tattooed up man with 12 yr old girl and zero documentation
- group of Unaccompanied Alien Children (UAC) = Which is case for the vast majority of the 'kids in detention facilities')
- man who has been deported 6 times, but this time he brings a child with him.
- teenage prostitute with a young child
IF you do not 'separate' the children from the adults while this mess is sorted out(how do you know their parents are even there?) what do you do? = turn them loose and ask them com come to court in 4 years??
Please answer.
Posted on 6/19/18 at 7:23 am to Rhino5
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Charge them on the spot, document, send them all back together.
It’s a sticky situation. Unaccompanied minors can’t be “sent back together.”
Posted on 6/19/18 at 7:28 am to imjustafatkid
quote:
quote:
It doesn't make sense to imprison their kids on taxpayers dime. It's inhumane. But its fiscally stupid. Charge them on the spot, document, send them all back together.
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Would be great if we could do this. Totally agree.
Exactly - what the ignorant sky-screamers are missing is that there are LAWS and COURT DECISIONS that prevent the admin from doing that.
IF the administration tried to violate THAT law, the same sky-screamers who are demanding that we disregard THIS law would demand that we obey THAT law.
This is nothing more than another spur-of-the-moment tear-jerk issue de jour that the DEMOCRATs bring up with things are not going their way on their last debacle.
This post was edited on 6/19/18 at 7:29 am
Posted on 6/19/18 at 7:50 am to alphaandomega
quote:.....
Send them back to whatever country they are a citizen of
Hell no I as a taxpayer am not going to pay their Fing airfare..... lock them out on the Mexican side with an unremovable tattoo........
If they are caught again they go to work camp for 10 years building the Wall......
If that does not work militarize the southern border..
Posted on 6/19/18 at 7:52 am to VOR
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What’s going on is a policy decision, not black letter law.
Lie.
Quit listening to NPR, it's why you are so misinformed about everything
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