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re: Tulsi Gabbard opens up that she’s infertile

Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:22 pm to
Posted by DJ3K
Member since Dec 2011
6782 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:22 pm to
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I’d like a shot to knock her up.


Ditto and i got tested with 87 percent chance to fertilize. I gots the swimmers. I can make it happen Tulsi

Send pics of you surfing at the beach
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50516 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:42 pm to
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Again. There is such a thing as nuance. We do not need to be slaves to these gotcha games. There is a distinction between the most innocent lives being created and killed for selfish reasons... and a murderer recieving justice via the death penalty.


You just said there’s no such thing as nuance then proceeded to describe nuance.

Murder is wrong or it isn’t. The morality of murder doesn’t depend on who is murdered.
Posted by Northtigga
Member since Aug 2023
5 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 8:45 pm to
It’s a stigma that needs to talked about more. We had zero issue with our first child. Now we are on miscarriage number 4
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
40196 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:12 pm to
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Growing up and even as a teenager and young adult, I had no idea infertility was so common. Once my wife and I began trying and our peer group was at that age, it shocked me to find out how many of our friends and peer group dealt with infertility and miscarriages.

Women are meant to have babies at 16-30 or so. Folks who wait are rolling the dice. My wife and I had our fourth, and last, at 29.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73416 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:18 pm to
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Again. There is such a thing as nuance. We do not need to be slaves to these gotcha games. There is a distinction between the most innocent lives being created and killed for selfish reasons... and a murderer recieving justice via the death penalty. The murderer needs to recieve the death penalty because we want to live in a country with rules. It is important for both the victims and the offenders to recieve their due justice. The murderer can make himself right with God before he dies, but in this world he must deal with the consequences of his actions, and we must have consequences.


Yeah, that's neat, but you're just describing a sliding scale of morality.

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Self defense, just wars, self sacrifice... can all be moral actions for just reasons.


"A human life is either a human life or it is not."

I didn't say that. You did.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
8948 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:29 pm to
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"A human life is either a human life or it is not."


Correct. And we should protect "innocent" human lives at all costs. At minimum, we shouldn't celebrate or promote destroying innocent human life.

This is also why we have severe consequences for people who murder innocent people. We must have those consequences go protect other innocent lives from psychopaths, and also so the same psychopaths can be deterred from committing acts of evil.

Human beings need consequences for behavior. Murdering innocents requires the moat severe consequences, because we live in societies that need law and order. Because of that law and order, we can experience human flourishing.

The consequences for murder, here on earth, is your life. The consequences for your eternal life is hell, if you don't repent and turn towards Jesus.
Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73416 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 9:41 pm to
K...

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Yeah, that's neat, but you're just describing a sliding scale of morality.
Posted by burger bearcat
Member since Oct 2020
8948 posts
Posted on 5/22/24 at 10:01 pm to
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K...

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Yeah, that's neat, but you're just describing a sliding scale of morality.


Murdering innocent life is immoral.

Death row inmates or men engaged on a battlefield are not innocent. Killing in these situations can be moral.

It's not that complicated. You don't have to twist into knots trying to decipher the differences.
This post was edited on 5/22/24 at 10:03 pm
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
50516 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 3:03 am to
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Women are meant to have babies at 16-30 or so


Why doesn’t menopause start at 30 or so?
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
7739 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 4:31 am to
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It’s not that easy to get pregnant but we are willing to just kill the little miracles without a second thought.


I am so reminded of the intro in Idiocracy.
(NSFW due to some language.)

Posted by DisplacedBuckeye
Member since Dec 2013
73416 posts
Posted on 5/23/24 at 7:50 am to
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Murdering innocent life is immoral.


We're still talking about your claim that "IVF is evil."

It seems that creating life is also immoral when you don't like the process.

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It's not that complicated.


Indeed. The entire point of this tangent was to move you off your statement that "a human life is either a human life or it is not."
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