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re: Trying to stop child trafficking is now "Qanon-adjacent" and "paranoid"
Posted on 7/8/23 at 5:43 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 7/8/23 at 5:43 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:look at your posts in this thread. You spend 90% of them complaining that Q conspiracies are the problem and not the actual traffickers. Its really crazy to see someone deflect this much
You also seem to be much more upset about qanon than child traffickers
I'm not "upset" at all.
quote:you might have some undiagnosed mental problems tbh
Why are you resorting to such dishonest arguments?
When did you stop abusing your children?
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Posted on 7/8/23 at 5:50 am to stout
So now we are to believe that child trafficking is a made up conspiracy?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 6:29 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Moot point in semantics, no? The very idea of the U.N. even subtlety dictating age of consent and going further in protecting tranny rights. Or outlining societal issues globally in any application, is worrisome, no?
I have to ask: did you read the entire report
When did States ratify a treaty to give the U.N. this authority globally, as we know politically Biden approves any nonsense the U.N. WEF spout off- for the USA? Does a Biden E.O. cover this? I think not. Which brings us to the mess that is DC.
The WHO is seemingly being used as a vehicle to usher in global U.N. laws applied to the USA. The govt entities seem to dismiss U.S. sovereignty in allowing any such U.N. papers/writings the power and authority to opine,no?
This post was edited on 7/8/23 at 6:31 am
Posted on 7/8/23 at 7:01 am to UncleFestersLegs
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look at your posts in this thread.
OK
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. You spend 90% of them complaining
You've already started lying
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that Q conspiracies are the problem and not the actual traffickers
Quote me where I said this, specifically. Not an inference/interpretation. Where I stated this.
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you might have some undiagnosed mental problems tbh
You might need to educate yourself on simple concepts. That's an example of a loaded question. The one used more in common vernacular is "When did you stop beating your wife?", but I made it more specifically relevant to this topic.
The dishonesty involved in a loaded question fallacy is the reliance on an untrue declaration/assumption/presumption that effectively walls in the response. Since you probably need more explanation, I'll use the example you quoted:
When did you stop abusing your children?
The dishonest declaration/assumption/presumption was the fact that you abuse your children. See how it boxes in any legitimate response?
Or, I can use the quote to which I responded when giving that example:
You also seem to be much more upset about qanon than child traffickers
It's not a perfect comparison b/c it's not a "question", but it uses the same dishonest framing technique.
The irony is, you continued to do this with the very post to which I'm responding, as quoted above:
You spend 90% of them complaining that Q conspiracies are the problem and not the actual traffickers.
Or you can go back to the post I responded to prior to your injection to see more examples:
Leave it to liberals to down play child sex trafficking
That quote involves TWO dishonesties.
And my response remains more true than ever (since more posters are relying even more on dishonest framing/arguments):
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The beginning of that plan requires using proper terminology and discussing this honestly, which you jut showed you're either unwilling or unable to do. That ties into the Q stuff, b/c that stupidity, again, has created a lot of dishonest arguments and beliefs around the issue and ignores the reality, which means any desire coming from that dishonesty has little chance of doing anything.
You're then left with Leftist-style virtue signaling.
fin
Posted on 7/8/23 at 7:14 am to Revelator
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So now we are to believe that child trafficking is a made up conspiracy?
No. Certain mythologies of child trafficking are, at least statistically, made up.
Those mythologies are used in many forms of conspiracy theories (typically from the Satanic Panic and its progeny).
I mean even the use of the word "child trafficking" is often mis-used. Child trafficking is typically forced labor, not sex. Children are 4x more likely to be trafficked for labor than sex. It gets even worse if you use "human trafficking" because only about 25-33% of the victims of that are children (and, again, it's primarily labor).
LINK
The problem internationally is that these are operations of crime syndicates and warlords (think: Blood Diamond, which focused on child trafficking). Lots of overlap with the same organizations we are "fighting" in the War on Drugs. To really stop this activity (which goes back about as far as humans have lived in societies, if not longer), you have to fight it like the WOD...but in other countries. Since we've seen how great we've done with the WOD, it shouldn't inspire confidence.
The other solution is to enact trade and other policies to raise the standard of living in these areas. The problem with that set of policies, especially as it relates to certain populations dominant on this board, is that it doesn't exactly tie into "America First" principles, which reject free trade internationally and relying on the same populations being threatened with trafficking (who, I might add, are the illegal economic migrants flooding the southern border, often to avoid threats of being trafficked).
Domestically, we can probably do more, but it's still ultimately similar root causes (economic strife leading to social pathology that creates unsafe, abusive homes leading to runaways), mixed in with certain cultures rejecting LGBT children (again, creating runaways). These runaways are 14-17 and can't really work legally, so they are going to end up in the black market. Easiest job in that black market is prostitution (again, another meme as old as human society. This has been happening for 10k years).
We can combat domestic problems by trying to help runaways directly and hoping to get them in a stable situation off the streets and targeting the underlying causes of social pathologies that lead to the abusive homelives (Also remember, these children are often sexually abused prior to going to the streets and that's statistically likely to be a family member or friend of the family sexually abusing the child, not an international cabal of powerful people).
So, if people want to really discuss "human trafficking" and how we combat it beyond virtue signaling, I'm all ears.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 7:18 am to cajunangelle
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Moot point in semantics, no? T
Not at all, when context matters and posting small clips out of context is a common dishonest rhetorical strategy.
He and I also have history relating to a statute where he relied on a mis truthful article discussing a statute and I relied on the actual statute and its wording. He doesn't read the things he posts about (probably has problems with it) and can only parrot talking points he'd fed.
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The very idea of the U.N. even subtlety dictating age of consent and going further in protecting tranny rights. Or outlining societal issues globally in any application, is worrisome, no?
Worrisome how? They are writing papers. I think it's a waste of money but they're not dictating anything.
Posting academic (or academic-adjacent) articles and model codes isn't dictating anything.
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The WHO is seemingly being used as a vehicle to usher in global U.N. laws applied to the USA.
Wut? Are you talking about Covid? The US relied on US laws and agencies to enforce that authoritarianism, primarily the CDC.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 7:31 am to SlowFlowPro
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No. Certain mythologies of child trafficking are, at least statistically, made up.
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Those mythologies are used in many forms of conspiracy theories (typically from the Satanic Panic and its progeny).
:not this shite again: 
Posted on 7/8/23 at 7:49 am to UncleFestersLegs
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You spend 90% of them complaining that Q conspiracies are the problem and not the actual traffickers. Its really crazy to see someone deflect this much
Posted on 7/8/23 at 7:52 am to Tmcgin
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.damn I miss the Q thread
Why miss something that still exists? This Forum still debates the central ideas (Q Thread = TOE/Thread of Everything) that were debated in said Thread. Albeit, the supposed 'Insider' 'Q' Source that posted enigmatic assessments and predictions outlived it's purpose for whom or whence it came, and went away.
The central idea of Q was Good vs Evil. God v Satan via a Spiritual Universe Paradigm. Trump as the 'flagbearer' for the anti-Global, Secular Fascist ideology. That is THE issue of the day and is getting stronger by the minute.
I never understood all the 'puzzle' stuff in Q's posts; it was over my head. Just the basic Narrative of Good v Evil. The child trafficking is pure Evil, and anybody who denies, defends, obfuscates the issue and enables it is serving Evil. Knowingly or unknowingly so.
"There is a way that seemeth right unto man, but the end thereof is destruction". "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools". The picture of that self-aggrandizing fool is a perfect example of good intentions gone awry.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 7:54 am to Toomer Deplorable
Primarily runaways relying on prostitution.
Disproportionately LGBTQ and black/brown leaving terrible home lives filled with abuse (often sexual).
What do propose we do about it?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 7:56 am to RCDfan1950
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The central idea of Q was Good vs Evil. God v Satan via a Spiritual Universe Paradigm. Trump as the 'flagbearer' for the anti-Global, Secular Fascist ideology. That is THE issue of the day and is getting stronger by the minute.
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The child trafficking is pure Evil, and anybody who denies, defends, obfuscates the issue and enables it is serving Evil. Knowingly or unknowingly so.
If you want to know why this topic is linked to Qtards, look no further.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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If you want to know why this topic is linked to Qtards, look no further.
This is a critique? Where's the beef? I'll debate all day long if there is some worthwhile substance. "Qtards" don't qualify as substantive.
Child abuse is Evil. Period!
Whatever.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:04 am to cajunangelle
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cajunangelle
All the spinning and deflecting in the world by SFP does not change the reality that the ICJ report clearly states that children have both the mental capacity and the legal right to make informed decisions about sexual consent. Yet how utterly predictable that SFP is locking down on his false narrative and accusing other posters of the very same tactics he himself employs as a matter of course on this forum.
I honestly don’t know if he is so enamored of the smell of his own bullsh*+ that he believes that the rest of the board doesn’t recognize it for what it is or if he is such a disingenuous lying sack of sh*+ that he simply doesn’t care. In any event, it certainly is an amusing spectacle to watch this turd ply his trade.
This post was edited on 7/8/23 at 8:32 am
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:05 am to RCDfan1950
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This is a critique?
No it's a reference to the theme of this thread (Trying to distance Q-based themes from child trafficking mythos).
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Child abuse is Evil. Period!
Who is disagreeing?
That's not what is being debated.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:07 am to Toomer Deplorable
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does not change the reality that the ICJ report clearly states that children have both the mental capacity and the legal right to make informed decisions about sexual consent.
Have you read the report, yet?
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Yet how utterly predictable that SFP is locking down on his false narrative and accusing other posters of the very same tactics he himself employs as a matter of course on this forum.
I read the entire report. I'm asking you if you have. Where is the false narrative?
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In any event, it certainly is an amusing spectacle to this watch this turd ply his trade.
Trust me, watching you embarrass yourself by constantly parroting talking points you don't understand and rejecting consuming the direct content is much more amusing. You have become an angrier version of Jjdoc.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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Trying to distance Q-based themes
Ah yes, this is right up your alley. Red meat for the basics.
Good ole Q conspiracy theories are used like the word racism. You folks cannot help yourself.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:11 am to Revelator
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So now we are to believe that child trafficking is a made up conspiracy?
Yes, everything they don't understand is a conspiracy.
This post was edited on 7/8/23 at 8:11 am
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:13 am to SlowFlowPro
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Primarily runaways relying on prostitution. Disproportionately LGBTQ and black/brown leaving terrible home lives filled with abuse (often sexual). What do propose we do about it?
Go after those that are taking advantage of their misery via human trafficking would be my proposal.
Do you wish it to stay the same as it is now?
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:17 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:Playing cool guy that schools everyone with every post on the poli board makes you look like the Bug.
Trust me, watching you embarrass yourself by constantly parroting talking points you don't understand and rejecting consuming the direct content is much more amusing. You have become an angrier version of Jjdoc.
Bookmark all who are wrong-it is everyone but you and the ones that copy off your paper.
Not a good look. Toomer is good people with very astute, well thought out and researched posts.
Posted on 7/8/23 at 8:20 am to jimmy the leg
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Go after those that are taking advantage of their misery via human trafficking would be my proposal.
Make it a capital offense.
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